Roe v. Wade to be overturned?

Exclusive: Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Mods, I get that this will be political, but this is just too big to just be part of the politics thread. This one deserves its own thread. Delete it if you feel the need, but I think this story is big enough that it deserves to be an exception.

 

I expect this to happen. And have, for a long time.

The SC will give it back to the states, and the states will outlaw it. And if there's enough momentum, there'll be a federal ban as well.

Question is, will all of this in any way reduce the number of abortions performed in this country?

Probably not.

 

Next up will be consent laws.

 

So, if this goes through, can we set up a mandatory DNA database and once the father of the child is located, they are required to pay 20% of their earnings to the mother or caregiver of the child?

If she has to have the child, the father should be required to support it.

 

Any culture willing to organize a police state around fucking is in deep, deep trouble.

 

I said this on the politics thread, so I’ll say it here for anyone who doesn’t read that thread. The GOP thinks they’re going to go back to 1952, but they’re in a 2022 world.

There’s the abortion pill(s), which can be ordered online from multiple places, including Europe and are roughly half of all abortions today. Obviously, the GOP will try to ban that, but are they really going to be able to monitor pregnant women’s FedEx packages? Highly unlikely.

You’ll have doctors in the blue states prescribing abortion pills for women in red states. Red states will try to stop them, but then that leads into a couple of whole other legal messes for women demanding equal rights to telehealth visits and doctors saying they’re not obligated to follow red states laws.

Meanwhile, if you’re the Dems, don’t waste time on strongly worded letters. Just say the GOP supports child molesting groomers being able to impregnate your daughters.

I think it was Neutral Corner on the other thread saying this, but the GOP is the dog that just caught the car. They’re so busy having their stupid Mission Accomplished party that they haven’t thought or prepared for one minute afterward.

Maybe it’s wishful thinking, but I think it’ll turn out like Prohibition. Something to regulate human behavior that seems like a good idea on paper that turns into a mess once implemented. Unfortunately, there’s going to be a lot of women, especially poor ones, who are going to suffer in the meantime.

 

No. Outlawing abortion won't end it, it will kill women.

Loving, Obergefell, Griswold. They are coming for our unenumerated rights.

 

The basis for the original Roe decision was "Right to Privacy." If this opinion is formalized, then it will have other implications beyond the other cases mentioned. This could open the door for states to outlaw pornography, for example. And given the surveillance state we already live in, do we want what little privacy we are afforded by law to be erased?

Oh, and that "deeply rooted in history" line should raise a few eyebrows. Think of all the recent changes that aren't deeply rooted in history - like civil rights.

 

I had a hard time reading some of the Dem legislators saying its time to codify Roe. They've only had 50 years to do it, often with bigger majorities - and as Alito says in the draft - it's not in the Constitution - meaning it would probably require an amendment. Worse news, red states are closer to being able to call a Constitutional Convention to outlaw abortion nationally, than Dems are - by a lot. Maybe two to three and a half state legislatures is all it would take. Worse news, sending it back to the states means abortion politics will be played out in pretty much every US state now, and hit "border" states particularly hard as "pro-choice" states begin opening up clinics near borders and become targets for people from "pro-life" states. Abortion has always had a lot in common with the politics of slavery - a very personal issue for some, to the point that they are willing to do anything - kill doctors, etc., - to support their views. As someone who grew up post-Roe - it's always seemed like a sensible position. Women should not be forced by the government to carry their rapists child to term. They should have control over their own bodies.
Legally, maybe the original decision was based more on practicality than strict legal reasoning and those justices realized the law isn't some abstract thing, but impacts real people - and this court is couching their legal argument in those terms to hide their moral reasonings. In any event - this could be the 21st Century equivalent of Dred Scott.
Politically? I'm tired of Democrats doing their best Wiley Coyote impression. Amping up the outrage, every time the GOP outfoxes them. Ruth Ginsberg could have retired when the Dems controlled the Senate in Obama's first two years, but she held on hoping Hilary would win and appoint her successor, as Bill nominated her. White women voted for Trump - leading to three new conservatives on the court.
The American people will get the final call on this - maybe it does impact certain states more than others. The polling suggests most people don't favor extreme anti-abortion laws, and were ok with the first trimester, rape and incest exceptions. The other thing is that this has been a major source of fuel for the conservative movement and women's movement for decades - what now?
I wonder if Susan Collins is concerned?

 

Although Republicans loathe to make such comparisons, their goal seems to be the same with abortion as with other healthcare: Those who can afford it will have it.

 

The SCOTUS won't give it back to the states. The Shiite MAGA majority will sign on to an opinion defining life at conception, therefore abortion is utterly outlawed coast to coast.

 

Or Islamic.