Roe v. Wade to be overturned?

[Inky_Wretch]

Go to the court. Add your voice.

We might. Went to RGB's grave first.

 

[wicked]

1) These Christian pro-life hardliners do not give a shirt. If a woman dies getting an abortion, it's God's will. They are similarly unmotivated to do anything serious about school shootings, for example, if it means everyone can't get a gun.

They said it was God's will when little kids were killed in an elementary school!

 

[jr/shotglass]

Sadly, a November vote isn't going to change the makeup of the Court.

Incidentally, that will be the last time I capitalize "Court" until further notice.

 

[HanSenSE]

I'd say the time was 40 motherforking years ago.

Maybe THIS will light a fire under their asses. Maybe.

It's an all decks on hand moment bigger than the one that dumped Trump in 2020. The Dems can't screw it up.

 

[BitterYoungMatador2]

If I haven't recommended the book Shadow Network here before, I am now (heck, I may have even gotten the book suggestion on this site). They've been playing the long game since the late 1970s, since an evangelical Christian conference at old Reunion Arena in Dallas. They organized, the mobilized and lord did they fundraise. The left's only hope is to do the same, or get used to more anger like today's.

 

[Shelbyville Manhattan]

And a not-insignificant percentage of those 69 percent are casual about it.

This nation is headed towards being a tyranny of the minority. History shows that such regimes eventually end, but it often takes a while, and typically with a sizable amount of bloodshed. That is, unless the nation peacefully breaks up along sociopolitical lines (with a transition of about 10 years, giving people time to relocate).

2) Roe v. Wade getting overturned isn't the end for these folks. Like, they're not going to stop until abortion is banned in every state, or (more likely) until they all die out. I actually think the latter is more likely, since association with a Christian religion in the U.S. has shifted from highs of 95+ percent in the 1950s to 69 percent in 2021, per Gallup. Although, unfortunately, that's going to take decades to centuries to play out, a la Texas turning blue.

 

[exmediahack]

The issue is that their side did "vote harder." They voted enough to give them 12 years of Republican presidents out of 22 this century, and 24 of the last 42. When they had power, they slammed as many judges in as they could. Meanwhile, I'd argue Obama whiffed on two by not coaxing RBG to retire (she's partly responsible for this too btw) and letting Mitch off the hook in 2016. Their side also understood the importance of midterm elections whereas the left didn't show up for the regular season but got on the bandwagon for the playoffs.

Absolutely this. RBG had reached this level of cultural hero worship that even Obama was unable to say, "hey, just in case Clinton doesn't win, wouldn't you consider retiring?"

This is on her ego for not leaving as much as anything when Obama had the opportunity. Obama had a Senate majority for his first 6 years in office and only replaced two "like with like" when he had 59-60 democrats in the senate.

Republicans and conservatives often misjudge what the majority of people want from government. This puts plenty of middling Democrats into a better spot for the midterms.

However, Republicans are better at playing the game.

Too early to factor on 2024, though. I feel a deep recession is on the way and that'll influence most of it. If the Republicans hold the senate, we'll have complaints of gridlock where both sides get blame.

 

[DanOregon]

There is a lot to dislike about the decision - the lying during confirmation procedings (I'm sure Sue Collins has the vapors), the nominations/installations of judges by Presidents elected by minority of Americans, the blocking of the Garland nomination, the rush of the Barrett nomination, that three of the justices were nominated by an proven corrupt and lawless President who most people didn't vote for. Nina Totenberg said on NPR that the Court has "expended all of its political capital" with the decision. And I don't dismiss the idea that most people will just see the Court now as another wing of the GOP.
Maybe I was hoping they would split the difference and return it to the states with the rape/incest and health of the mother exception, but I'm always an optimist. I don't know what the path forward is, other than the annual "Roe" commemorations across the country for both sides of the issue will now enjoy better weather than late January. Clearly, the elder leaders of the Dems need to step aside and make way for a new generation who will be able to see the fight through to the end.

 

[TigerVols]

I know this makes me a typical Democrat in pointing blame inward, but I really do think today's decision mortally wounds any goodwill the Barack Obama Administration may have deserved.
From not getting RBG off the court when he had the chance, to not doing everything possible to getting Merrick Garland seated, and especially for not building up a party that could nominate someone -- anyone -- his own age or younger, while also developing the grassroots that helped put him in power to begin with, his legacy to me is that of someone who ultimately failed in his role.

 

[TigerVols]

There is a lot to dislike about the decision - the lying during confirmation procedings (I'm sure Sue Collins has the vapors), the nominations/installations of judges by Presidents elected by minority of Americans, the blocking of the Garland nomination, the rush of the Barrett nomination, that three of the justices were nominated by an proven corrupt and lawless President who most people didn't vote for. Nina Totenberg said on NPR that the Court has "expended all of its political capital" with the decision. And I don't dismiss the idea that most people will just see the Court now as another wing of the GOP.
Maybe I was hoping they would split the difference and return it to the states with the rape/incest and health of the mother exception, but I'm always an optimist. I don't know what the path forward is, other than the annual "Roe" commemorations across the country for both sides of the issue will now enjoy better weather than late January. Clearly, the elder leaders of the Dems need to step aside and make way for a new generation who will be able to see the fight through to the end.

This is the most bizarre takeaway I've seen yet today.

 

[jr/shotglass]

I know this makes me a typical Democrat in pointing blame inward, but I really do think today's decision mortally wounds any goodwill the Barack Obama Administration may have deserved.
From not getting RBG off the court when he had the chance, to not doing everything possible to getting Merrick Garland seated, and especially for not building up a party that could nominate someone -- anyone -- his own age or younger, while also developing the grassroots that helped put him in power to begin with, his legacy to me is that of someone who ultimately failed in his role.

I have to ask -- when did Obama have the chance to get RBG to retire when she did not want to?

 

[DanOregon]

This is the most bizarre takeaway I've seen yet today.

You're welcome. Mainly it was a way of saying the fight will continue - though spread out among 50 states. I do wonder if it might "flip" a few states though - a decision like this will produce a cultural shift in the electorate. Roe was probably as big of a factor in the party realignments in the 60s and 70s as the Civil Rights Movement.