Running gun violence thread

[old_tony]

Funny how some cases like this one capture the interest of the media and others like
the Danroy Henry police shooting get no traction.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/danroy-henry-update-family-of-student-killed-by-cop-say-1st-official-account-of-shooting-was-purposely-misleading/

The utterly inept police response has been the reason this story has traction. Otherwise it'd just be another dead guy on the pile.

Sadly, the pile no one cares about (blacks killed by fellow blacks) is about 10000 times bigger than the one (blacks killed by police) everyone cares about.

 

[Riptide]

I swear, for folks who claim to be intellectually curious, liberals live in a forking bubble.

LOL. There is no bigger bubble brigade
than those who suckle at the teat of Fox News.

 

[old_tony]

I swear, for folks who claim to be intellectually curious, liberals live in a forking bubble.

LOL. There is no bigger bubble brigade
than those who suckle at the teat of Fox News.

So, just to review, it's your position that if one is a consumer of the three or four conservative news outlets out there, it's easier to avoid the 25,000 liberal outlets than it is for the consumer of the 25,000 liberal outlets to avoid the three or four conservative outlets?

Interesting. Deranged, but interesting.

 

[Riptide]

I swear, for folks who claim to be intellectually curious, liberals live in a forking bubble.

LOL. There is no bigger bubble brigade
than those who suckle at the teat of Fox News.

So, just to review, it's your position that if one is a consumer of the three or four conservative news outlets out there, it's easier to avoid the 25,000 liberal outlets than it is for the consumer of the 25,000 liberal outlets to avoid the three or four conservative outlets?

Interesting. Deranged, but interesting.

Nah. What I said was: You're brainwashed.

 

[Songbird]

Hey, YF, the Times is on it!

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/nyregion/2-killed-and-dozen-are-injured-as-weekend-shootings-plague-new-york.html?smid=fb-nytimes&WT.z_sma=NY_TKA_20140817&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1388552400000&_r=0&referrer=

 

[YankeeFan]

Tell them to remove the damn tanks.

-- Eric Holder


And now Gov. Nixon is calling in the National Guard.

I think things were going better in Ferguson when Gov. Nixon was still ignoring it.

 

[YankeeFan]

I swear, for folks who claim to be intellectually curious, liberals live in a forking bubble.

LOL. There is no bigger bubble brigade
than those who suckle at the teat of Fox News.

Who's the liberal equivalent of Mark Steyn that I would be unfamiliar with?

 

[YankeeFan]

People was running out with things, but it's like, they were just tired. You know. Like everybody want their peace and justice. And, I guess they figured that's their peace and justice.

-- Young man on MSNBC explaining why stores were looted.

 

[YankeeFan]

Hey, YF, the Times is on it!

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/nyregion/2-killed-and-dozen-are-injured-as-weekend-shootings-plague-new-york.html?smid=fb-nytimes&WT.z_sma=NY_TKA_20140817&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1388552400000&_r=0&referrer=

de Blasio's New York:

Two men were killed and 19 were wounded in New York City shooting incidents on Saturday and Sunday, signaling that an uptick in shootings this year hasn't abated.

The gun violence began in the Bronx at 2:03 a.m. Saturday when police responded to a call and found three people shot—a man in the chest, a man in the back and woman in the leg, police said.

It ended in Queens at 6 a.m. Sunday, when a man was critically wounded and three others injured less seriously in the Jamaica neighborhood, police said.

In all, there were 11 shooting incidents in four boroughs in less than 28 hours; in 2013, the city experienced fewer than three shootings a day, according to police statistics.

http://online.wSportsJournalists.com/articles/gun-violence-in-city-surges-over-weekend-1408323944

 

[Dick Whitman]

Funny how some cases like this one capture the interest of the media and others like
the Danroy Henry police shooting get no traction.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/danroy-henry-update-family-of-student-killed-by-cop-say-1st-official-account-of-shooting-was-purposely-misleading/

The utterly inept police response has been the reason this story has traction. Otherwise it'd just be another dead guy on the pile.

Sadly, the pile no one cares about (blacks killed by fellow blacks) is about 10000 times bigger than the one (blacks killed by police) everyone cares about.

People should care about blacks killing blacks. No argument there. And people don't.

But police brutality is a special kind of problem, and a sizable response is merited.

 

[Inky_Wretch]

Funny how some cases like this one capture the interest of the media and others like
the Danroy Henry police shooting get no traction.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/danroy-henry-update-family-of-student-killed-by-cop-say-1st-official-account-of-shooting-was-purposely-misleading/

The utterly inept police response has been the reason this story has traction. Otherwise it'd just be another dead guy on the pile.

Sadly, the pile no one cares about (blacks killed by fellow blacks) is about 10000 times bigger than the one (blacks killed by police) everyone cares about.

And the vast majority of whites are killed by whites, yet they fear the black or brown boogeyman the most.

 

[YankeeFan]

But police brutality is a special kind of problem, and a sizable response is merited.

100% true.

But, we don't know if that's what happened here.

And, similar to previous incidents -- including the Trayvon Martin case, which didn't involve the police, but is similar -- folks aren't demanding the truth, they are demanding an arrest.

Justice is not being defined as seeking the truth. The justice folks are seeking is an eye for an eye.

And, again, we saw a narrative developed that wasn't based on fact.

Let's call it the "Gentle Giant" narrative.

And, when that narrative gets called into question, we see a violent reaction to it.

We were also told that Brown was on his knees, with his hand up. Is that true?

I want the truth. I wanted the officer's name released. I wanted the autopsy results released.

I'm perfectly willing to believe that cops in general, and perhaps this cop specifically, treat minorities poorly. But, we have a rush to judgement here. People want to convict the cop with no evidence.

Just because someone is unarmed, does not mean they do not pose a deadly threat, and do not require deadly force to end that threat.

Brown was a big guy. If he had already tried to grab the officer's gun, and was now charging him, that may very well justify the use of deadly force.

Let's try to get some facts before we make a determination. And, let's not write a narrative we are unwilling to deviate from.