Should Pete Rose be reinstated?

There's no proof he gambled on baseball as a player. So the only thing keeping him out that's part of the record is gambling he did as a manager. Which isn't the role that's up for consideration as far as him as a Hall of Famer.

 

If the plagiarist, before being such as a reporter, wrote great headlines and made copy sing (without any evidence of him making up quotes), I'd love them as a Hall of Fame copy editor.

 

Heck, a plagiarist (George Harrison) is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

 

Neither. In journalism, we would rather lay off both.

 

So's John Fogerty, who plagiarized himself.[/irvingazoff]

 

Only guy to lose three WS games until (if memory serves) some Yankee did it, a zillion years later.

 

Having your family's well-being threatened by people who you know aren't playing beanbag will induce that kind of behavior.

 

Real tragedy is that if Red Faber (another most-proficient WS starter) wasn't sidelined by injury, there's no way the fixers reach for it, since it's highly-unlikely Faber would have gone for the scheme.

 

White Sox had a LOT of good arms that couldn't go the distance because of injury or illness in '19.

In addition to the HOFer Faber, you also have Benz, Russell, Scott and Danforth, more-than-serviceable veterans who all got hurt ... and then there's the mysterious John Picus Quinn, who was basically stolen from the White Sox by Ban Johnson in 1918 and went on to win 247 games.

Impossible to say how Gleason would have lined up his starters with any or all those guys available, but you can be certain Cicotte and Williams wouldn't have started six of eight games.

 

George Frazier in the '81 WS against the Dodgers.

Sad thing is, Frazier was actually a very good relief pitcher who just had an awful series.

 

Actually, Williams only gave up four hits in both Game 2 and Game 5. Hardly the definition of "hit hard". He did give up the majority of his runs in one inning in both of the losses, which Asinof attributed to seeing how badly Cicotte let himself be rocked, and how he tried to be more circumspect about it.

And, as it's been said on here, he supposedly was threatened with harm, along with his family for Game 8. Even then, he had given up three runs in the first, with a baserunner that was his later scoring for a fourth run before he was taken out. The Sox still had plenty of time to come back in that game, but the other relievers, who weren't in on the fix, were ineffective. Had they held the fort, the other hitters, both those who were pissed off at not receiving their money plus the "clean" players, could have made a comeback and forced a Game 9. Which, if that had happened, all bets would have been off (no pun intended).

Also, according to Asinof, Cicotte received his money before the series began, and decided to pitch his normal game in Game 7 when the other players weren't receiving their share of the fix money.

 

Your post couldn't be more irrelevant imo, as he's not eligible. The HOF does not elect "careers", they elect "people.".

Let's say for argument's sake Pete never bet on baseball as a player, however.

He walked past the huge poster sized sign explaining clearer than crystal - the repercussions of gambling on the game. Several times each day in the clubhouse before the game, then past it again out to BP, again coming back, again out to the game, and again several times after.

1,500+ times per year, and tens of thousands of times over the years while playing.

Then he becomes a manager and defies what he's walked past over and over and over for decades? If he indeed did just that, not only should be be permanently ineligible because the rules clearly state that is the penalty, but he's even more idiotic than someone with a gambling addiction who bet as a player and manager.