Simmons vs. Pierce?

YGBFKM · Dec 13, 2010

Double Down said:

Anyone who thinks Pierce would trade his own career for Simmons's career (and his millions) doesn't understand what makes people like Pierce, Junod, Raab, Chiarella, Jones, Paterniti, MacGregor, Hoffer, Deford, Smith, Price, etc... tick.

Some people strive to write literature, and that is their reward. Other writers have other goals in mind. That's not to knock them, but they are not comparable artists. The lamest part of Simmons tweet is "good luck on your red-hot career." It's so ridiculous, it makes me laugh. Cormac McCarthy is not jealous of Robert Parker or James Patterson. Philip Roth and Thomas Pynchon are not bitter they don't have the audience of John Grisham.

If you wish to take issues with Pierce's review, you have every right to do so on its merits.

But the "y'all just jealous!" argument is ridiculous.
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Well said, but is it not fair for someone to wonder why an individual beholden to the art, as it were, would waste time exchanging catty twitter exchanges with an obvious lesser?

21 · Dec 13, 2010

YGBFKM said:

Well said, but is it not fair for someone to wonder why an individual beholden to the art, as it were, would waste time exchanging catty twitter exchanges with an obvious lesser?
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That should be the essay question on the SportsJournalists.com application for membership.

inthesuburbs · Dec 13, 2010

Who is Bill Simmons?

old_tony · Dec 13, 2010

inthesuburbs said:

Who is Bill Simmons?
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Some guy whose career started in his parents' basement, but since his parents' basement was in Boston instead of Des Moines some people took him seriously.

Ben_Hecht · Dec 13, 2010

Double Down said:

Still waiting for someone to point out a single line in Pierce's review that isn't an accurate criticism of Bill's book.
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You'll get old, waiting.

playthrough · Dec 13, 2010

old_tony said:

inthesuburbs said:

Who is Bill Simmons?
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Some guy whose career started in his parents' basement, but since his parents' basement was in Boston instead of Des Moines some people took him seriously.
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That's pretty funny.

inthesuburbs · Dec 13, 2010

Thanks, old_tony. Had never heard of Bill Simmons until this thread appeared.

Ben_Hecht · Dec 13, 2010

LongTimeListener said:

Dick Whitman said:

JC said:

Dick Whitman said:

It is very interesting to note that this thread is a lot more balanced than some of the discussions about this dispute you might find elsewhere on the Internet.
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You're really obsessed with "other sites" aren't you?
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For example, the readers on Deadspin seem to be taking Simmons' side:
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Now there's a learned bunch.
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Them mouthbreathers stick together.

Lugnuts · Dec 13, 2010

God, please.. Life's too short. CPP probably said or wrote something cranky in an email...which we all know he's done... which Simmons took in the worst possible way.. Then it escalated.. Then there was the Tiger Woods dustup.. Now this.

Two talented people.. Just with strengths in different areas...

Let it go, both of you. Apologize, hug, twitblog, just get it over with.

dooley_womack1 · Dec 13, 2010

Pierce is clearly the better writer, but sometimes he tends to go on screeds that kinda leave nuance out. And the low-hanging fruit comment someone made earlier seems to fit.

Piotr Rasputin · Dec 13, 2010

Double Down said:

Anyone who thinks Pierce would trade his own career for Simmons's career (and his millions) doesn't understand what makes people like Pierce, Junod, Raab, Chiarella, Jones, Paterniti, MacGregor, Hoffer, Deford, Smith, Price, etc... tick.

Some people strive to write literature, and that is their reward. Other writers have other goals in mind. That's not to knock them, but they are not comparable artists. The lamest part of Simmons tweet is "good luck on your red-hot career." It's so ridiculous, it makes me laugh. Cormac McCarthy is not jealous of Robert Parker or James Patterson. Philip Roth and Thomas Pynchon are not bitter they don't have the audience of John Grisham.

If you wish to take issues with Pierce's review, you have every right to do so on its merits.

But the "y'all just jealous!" argument is ridiculous.
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Should Simmons be jealous of any of those people you mentioned?

Was it really Simmons' goal to be like them?

Inky_Wretch · Dec 13, 2010

Mizzougrad96 said:

It's a very accurate criticism, but Pierce is not an innocent in this fight.

My problem with Pierce here is you would think he would be above getting involved in something like this.

His criticism of the LeBron thing strikes me as pretty bad. How many of us would email another writer to complain about something they wrote? It's a very arrogant move.
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If they were already trading emails, then it wouldn't be that big of a deal. Out of the blue? Sure.

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