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Tattletale Journalism

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Alma, Feb 9, 2021.

  1. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Greenwald piece stems from a NYT reporter claiming some guy in a chat said an inappropriate word (a slur of the disabled), which he did not say, and the person who did say it - who was of a different gender - was quoting something else.

    The Journalistic Tattletale and Censorship Industry Suffers Several Well-Deserved Blows

    The reporter also screen-shotted those in the chat who didn’t object to the moderator quoting a Reddit chat as if to make them complicit to saying a word they also didn’t say.
     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    One thing I have not been clear about. What did Don McNeil actually do?

    I have read two wildly different accounts about that student trip.

    Originally, the Times statement about it said he repeated "a racist slur in the context of a conversation about racist language." If that was it, yeah, this was a mob gone bully -- and him being forced out makes no sense. The idea of trying to scrub the language of words people find offensive, ignores all context. There is a difference between a racist person using a racial slur. ... and someone who doesn't have that kind of intent acknowledging that there are hateful people who use the word, and having a discussion about it. Pretending the word doesn't exist in that context is childish to me. And the fact that some people lose their minds and make no distinction is nuts. The word exists and it gets used by hateful people. The best way to address the hateful sentiments (not just a word) should be openness about it, not an Orwellian approach that devolves into mob justice. Intent and context should matter.

    All of that said, though, the complaints of the students and parents on that trip went way beyond that. They were saying that he was saying racist and sexist things throughout the trip, saying disparaging things about black teenagers and that he said that "white supremacy doesn't exist." If that is the case, he's the racist.

    Which was it? Because the latter is pretty serious.
     
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  3. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

  4. Severian

    Severian Well-Known Member

    Imagine having a genuine shot at journalism's highest prize, all for it -- and your 45-year career -- to be destroyed by one misguided comment during a trip, a year ago, in Peru.
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I still found it difficult to tell from reading that. I think the disconnect is in assumptions those kids might make (because of how they have been raised) when they are "triggered" by a word or a topic. ... and what McNeil may (or may not) have actually said (and meant). My sense is that maybe he's kind of a prick, a difficult guy, so it's not like there was a groundswell of support for him when the mob came for him.
     
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  6. daemon

    daemon Well-Known Member

    From Wemple's piece, it sounds like a 67-year-old curmudgeonly reporter who hasn't read any Kendi or DiAngelo led a field trip for a bunch of white teen social justice warriors and hilarity ensued. We all know what happened, and it sucks.
     
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  7. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    Agree that reading that article it is all very vague to me and doesn’t jump off the page for me as worthy of termination. Granted, we all come to these matters with our own biases, but forcing out a long time expert because he doesn’t share someone else’s views about what cultural appropriation means is a little bit silly. As is repeating a racial slur which someone else used in a discussion about a fellow student being punished for using it years earlier.
     
  8. Severian

    Severian Well-Known Member

    Agreed. The Times should've put him through the ringer with diversity training and other HR punishments. But full termination from a beat that's absolutely critical right now (not to mention pivotal for the Pulitzer Prize), all to appease 150 staffers, in an organization of over 1,700? Too far. This proves a few angry wokes can direct the decision-making of one of the most powerful management boards in news.
     
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  9. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    Again, I am pretty much of a bleeding heart and we still don’t have all of the facts. But it seems fairly dramatic for 150 employee to be “outraged and in pain” based on what was in Wemple’s piece.
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    My understanding was that he wasn't terminated, he resigned. I wonder if he just decided it wasn't worth trying to work in an environment in which there were going to be so many people having a canary over his presence.

    I also agree with your assessment in your last post. We don't know for sure what happened on that trip. There is enough ambiguity where he could be a racist prick. ... or he could be a 67-year-old guy who is out of touch, as @daemon said (and that would be my guess, too). I know if I can't tell what happened on that trip, the 150 employees who are "outraged and in pain" can't know either.
     
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  11. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    You lost me at the word “Greenwald,” which led me to conclude that the entire subject wasn’t worth my time.
     
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  12. Editude

    Editude Active Member

    It's complicated, as they say, and some aspects of personnel are personal. Yet it's also true that the matter was affected -- and elevated, really --
    by the mid-inquiry reactions.
     
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