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Teacher Opposed to Gay Marriage Could be Fired

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by sportbook, Aug 19, 2011.

  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Trace Adkins is right. No one in the whole history of history has ever suffered the kind of systematic oppression brought down today on the heads of middle-class straight white American Christian males.
     
  2. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Here is the thing about that group: You stick your nose into politics, as it has done since the early 1980s, you better expect to get bloodied a little bit. They want dispensation from the same ferocity that greets every other interest group. They ain't getting it.
     
  3. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    So you are pretty much advocating one of two things here.

    1) Teachers shouldn't be allowed to say anything about pretty much anything in their personal time.

    2) Teachers with views deemed unacceptable should have lesser rights than teachers with acceptable personal views.

    I find both stances pretty abhorrent.
     
  4. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    I'm saying 2). You are acting like a high school is and always has been a bastion of unregulated speech where the marketplace of ideas decides everything. Not true. And this is not a political stance the teacher is taking, it is a stance of prejudice and should not be allowed in a public school.
     
  5. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    No, I'm aware the history and precedent is on the side of restricting freedom here. I just don't like it.

    When a government institution enacts a policy that decides some personal views are unacceptable and some are acceptable, and the result is professional consequences, that is unacceptable to me.
     
  6. YGBFKM

    YGBFKM Guest

    Replace "teachers" with "individuals" and 2) is at the heart of modern American liberalism.
     
  7. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    The stance of prejudice wasn't taken inside a public school, so what's the problem?
     
  8. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    That it can cause a disruption within the school. I don't necessarily like that, either, but that's the law.

    There's a case out there - can't remember if it was a Supreme Court or Circuit case, where a teacher wrote articles for the NAMBLA newsletter advocating man-boy sex. It only became a disruption because the school made it one - nobody knew about it otherwise. But ultimately, the Court upheld his firing.

    Should a teacher who writes for the NAMBLA newsletter be fired? Or is he just exercising his Constitutional right to free speech?
     
  9. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    It was a public stance. Facebook is.
     
  10. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Agreed. But it wasn't done inside the school, it wasn't done with school resources, and it wasn't done using his status as a teacher to amplify the message.

    So as far as I'm concerned, the school should stay out of it.
     
  11. YGBFKM

    YGBFKM Guest

    The NAMBLA teacher supports gay stuff and is therefore a good person.
     
  12. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    This is why balancing tests are so fucking dumb.

    You're supposed to balance the speech rights against the disruption, right? How the hell do you do that? It's like asking what color is "S"?
     
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