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Teacher Opposed to Gay Marriage Could be Fired

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by sportbook, Aug 19, 2011.

  1. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    There is no such thing.

    Here's an exercise:

    I am a white supremacist who is going to open a restaurant in downtown Detroit.

    I am going to call it, "The I Hate N$*$&$& Restaurant."

    Write a law to stop me.
     
  2. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    In the dull laboratory of sterile Constitutional hypotheticals, perhaps 'hate speech' doesn't exist.

    But in the two-fisted society you currently inhabit, 'hate speech' is a thing we all get to wrestle with.
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    This isn't a sterile Constitutional hypothetical.

    A man's job is in jeopardy.

    You insinuate this is justifiable, or at least more so, because he used "hate speech," implying that this should receive a lesser level of First Amendment protection.
     
  4. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    You guys who are arguing that this is a First Amendment issue is right. The Establishment clause. If Dude can't leave his religious beliefs out of his work then he shouldn't be teaching.
     
  5. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Agreed. If he brings his beliefs into his teaching, then there is a problem.
     
  6. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    I haven't insinuated a thing.

    I've said that this instance of a teacher being suspended for a Facebook posting is a complex example of Free Speech, which it certainly is, because as a public employee he chose to characterize his distaste for a certain group of people in a certain and very colorful way.

    "Hate speech" as a concept is a terribly complicated cultural byproduct of our society's impulse toward progress. In the course of becoming less prejudiced, less racist, less bigoted, we all have to wrestle new standards of speech and conduct.
     
  7. YGBFKM

    YGBFKM Guest

    "You guys is"?
     
  8. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    There is no such thing as "hate speech" under the First Amendment. That is settled law. No wrestling required.
     
  9. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    From my point of view, the concept of "hate speech" nothing but an attempt at an end-run around free expression perpetrated by people with very little respect for that freedom.

    Your mileage may vary :)
     
  10. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    A First Amendment that didn't protect "hate speech" is no First Amendment at all.
     
  11. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Thus we go back to employers, employees and codes of conduct vs. "settled law."
     
  12. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Here would be the scoreboard in that battle:

    Settled Law: 100
    Employer "code of conduct" that includes articulated speech restrictions: 0
     
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