Terrelle Pryor, four teammates suspended first five games of 2011

[apeman33]

Since I am neither a tOSU or Big 1(12)0 fanboi, what's the significance of the gold pants?

 

[golfnut8924]

Anyone catch the SI story a few weeks back about the BCS and a playoff and all the stuff that was exposed in that article? I believe it said all but only a small handful of athletic departments actually lost money last year. So if college players are going to get paid, it sure as heck isn't going to come from the schools because believe it or not, the schools don't have the money. Look at how many schools are dropping sports to save the budget. The only way they could get paid is by the NCAA (which is already giving them four years of free tuition) or endorsements. But the second anyone gets paid, it's no longer amateur sports. It's professional. Same reason why Olympians don't get paid for their Olympic participation. It's supposed to be amateur.

 

[outofplace]

Anyone catch the SI story a few weeks back about the BCS and a playoff and all the stuff that was exposed in that article? I believe it said all but only a small handful of athletic departments actually lost money last year. So if college players are going to get paid, it sure as heck isn't going to come from the schools because believe it or not, the schools don't have the money. Look at how many schools are dropping sports to save the budget. The only way they could get paid is by the NCAA (which is already giving them four years of free tuition) or endorsements. But the second anyone gets paid, it's no longer amateur sports. It's professional. Same reason why Olympians don't get paid for their Olympic participation. It's supposed to be amateur.

But Olympians are allowed to profit from their performance through endorsements. These kids are not.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

Anyone catch the SI story a few weeks back about the BCS and a playoff and all the stuff that was exposed in that article? I believe it said all but only a small handful of athletic departments actually lost money last year. So if college players are going to get paid, it sure as heck isn't going to come from the schools because believe it or not, the schools don't have the money. Look at how many schools are dropping sports to save the budget. The only way they could get paid is by the NCAA (which is already giving them four years of free tuition) or endorsements. But the second anyone gets paid, it's no longer amateur sports. It's professional. Same reason why Olympians don't get paid for their Olympic participation. It's supposed to be amateur.

Olympians are now allowed to be paid. Some governments openly reward their athletes monetarily if they win medals.

Also, athletic departments are in the red because they spend too much. They actually lose money on bowl games because they contractually have to buy a certain number of tickets, and then they spend to bring the band and the cheerleaders with them.

Not to mention, they're spending a heckuva lot on coaches salaries. Instead of paying $3 million for a coach, they could pay $1 million and make a profit. But then, the team might lose, and the fans will scream.

 

[golfnut8924]

Perhaps they should reach a compromise. The kids can get paid if the team meets a required graduation rate. Sounds silly, but the idea of paying the Florida football players money when their graduation rate is at about 30% also seems kind of silly to me. That would basically just be professional football.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

Then you'll REALLY have kids graduating who can't read.

 

[Calvin Hobbes]

Since I am neither a tOSU or Big 1(12)0 fanboi, what's the significance of the gold pants?

Each Ohio State player who participates in a victory over Michigan receives a gold pendant in the shape of game pants. The tradition dates back to the 1930s. Each charm is inscribed with the player's initials and the score and date of the game.

 

[outofplace]

Then you'll REALLY have kids graduating who can't read.

This guy fails to see the problem with that.

 

[Armchair_QB]

Give all athletes 10% of the gate when they play a game on top of their scholarships.

If you have 50,000 people paying $50 each, that is $2,500,000. Ten percent of that is $250,000 split amongest 200 kids (more or less) or about a grand a game for football players. You want to raise it higher? So be it.

I would use gate because it is the quickest way to get money back to the athlete. The university would have all the funds by the time the game has ended. TV money is too complicated and jersey sales are not cut and dry either.

Your sport does not draw, then you don't get shirt.

That is where I would draw the line, though. You start letting them sell their image or their gear, then you are starting a feeding frenzy. "Hi. This is Cam for Teddy's Titty Bar on I-10..."

Sorry, but it would never work that way -- if you sport doesn't draw, "then you don't get shirt." Title 9 doesn't differentiate between sports that are financially successful and those that don't. I had an attorney who specializes in litigating federal law who told me that the day the NCAA starts paying football and basketball players only, there would be an entire cadre of lawyers lining up to sue the schools to pay the volleyball players and gymnasts. Everything has to be equal: 20 hours of practice, scholarships, etc. Because of that, you'll never see college football or basketball players get paid. Period. End of sentence. Everyone needs to quit wringing their hands over this and accept it. If kids want to get paid for playing sports, become a professional. If they can't get paid for playing professional sports, learn to do something else.

Which is why I like my plan. The schools just give the scholarships, but the athletes are free to get whatever else they can get.

Of course, this would mean the Jennie Finches on the softball team would get endorsements while the sixth outfielder gets nothing. But oh well.

But don't you get it? If any kind of payment for college athletes began, the Jennie Finches, the sixth outfielders and the backup single sculls rower at Amherst will have lawyers going to bat for them to get paid. So no one is. Of all the causes media and fans get on the bandwagon for (kill the BCS, etc.), this is one everyone needs to drop. Ain't never gonna happen.

Allowing athletes to get endorsements does not open the door for lawyers to force colleges to pay them. Those are two separate things.

I remember when I was this naive. I was about 10 years old.

 

[outofplace]

Give all athletes 10% of the gate when they play a game on top of their scholarships.

If you have 50,000 people paying $50 each, that is $2,500,000. Ten percent of that is $250,000 split amongest 200 kids (more or less) or about a grand a game for football players. You want to raise it higher? So be it.

I would use gate because it is the quickest way to get money back to the athlete. The university would have all the funds by the time the game has ended. TV money is too complicated and jersey sales are not cut and dry either.

Your sport does not draw, then you don't get shirt.

That is where I would draw the line, though. You start letting them sell their image or their gear, then you are starting a feeding frenzy. "Hi. This is Cam for Teddy's Titty Bar on I-10..."

Sorry, but it would never work that way -- if you sport doesn't draw, "then you don't get shirt." Title 9 doesn't differentiate between sports that are financially successful and those that don't. I had an attorney who specializes in litigating federal law who told me that the day the NCAA starts paying football and basketball players only, there would be an entire cadre of lawyers lining up to sue the schools to pay the volleyball players and gymnasts. Everything has to be equal: 20 hours of practice, scholarships, etc. Because of that, you'll never see college football or basketball players get paid. Period. End of sentence. Everyone needs to quit wringing their hands over this and accept it. If kids want to get paid for playing sports, become a professional. If they can't get paid for playing professional sports, learn to do something else.

Which is why I like my plan. The schools just give the scholarships, but the athletes are free to get whatever else they can get.

Of course, this would mean the Jennie Finches on the softball team would get endorsements while the sixth outfielder gets nothing. But oh well.

But don't you get it? If any kind of payment for college athletes began, the Jennie Finches, the sixth outfielders and the backup single sculls rower at Amherst will have lawyers going to bat for them to get paid. So no one is. Of all the causes media and fans get on the bandwagon for (kill the BCS, etc.), this is one everyone needs to drop. Ain't never gonna happen.

Allowing athletes to get endorsements does not open the door for lawyers to force colleges to pay them. Those are two separate things.

I remember when I was this naive. I was about 10 years old.

Snark with nothing to back it up. Well, that's nothing new for you.

Where is the army of lawyers insisting that the U.S. Olympic committee pay athletes? They aren't restricting those athletes from accepting endorsements. Is it an exact comparison? No. But it is as close as we have seen.

Allowing the athletes to earn money any way they can on their own is one thing. Having schools pay them directly is another. I'm not sure why that is so hard for you to grasp.

 

[Armchair_QB]

Give all athletes 10% of the gate when they play a game on top of their scholarships.

If you have 50,000 people paying $50 each, that is $2,500,000. Ten percent of that is $250,000 split amongest 200 kids (more or less) or about a grand a game for football players. You want to raise it higher? So be it.

I would use gate because it is the quickest way to get money back to the athlete. The university would have all the funds by the time the game has ended. TV money is too complicated and jersey sales are not cut and dry either.

Your sport does not draw, then you don't get shirt.

That is where I would draw the line, though. You start letting them sell their image or their gear, then you are starting a feeding frenzy. "Hi. This is Cam for Teddy's Titty Bar on I-10..."

Sorry, but it would never work that way -- if you sport doesn't draw, "then you don't get shirt." Title 9 doesn't differentiate between sports that are financially successful and those that don't. I had an attorney who specializes in litigating federal law who told me that the day the NCAA starts paying football and basketball players only, there would be an entire cadre of lawyers lining up to sue the schools to pay the volleyball players and gymnasts. Everything has to be equal: 20 hours of practice, scholarships, etc. Because of that, you'll never see college football or basketball players get paid. Period. End of sentence. Everyone needs to quit wringing their hands over this and accept it. If kids want to get paid for playing sports, become a professional. If they can't get paid for playing professional sports, learn to do something else.

Which is why I like my plan. The schools just give the scholarships, but the athletes are free to get whatever else they can get.

Of course, this would mean the Jennie Finches on the softball team would get endorsements while the sixth outfielder gets nothing. But oh well.

But don't you get it? If any kind of payment for college athletes began, the Jennie Finches, the sixth outfielders and the backup single sculls rower at Amherst will have lawyers going to bat for them to get paid. So no one is. Of all the causes media and fans get on the bandwagon for (kill the BCS, etc.), this is one everyone needs to drop. Ain't never gonna happen.

Allowing athletes to get endorsements does not open the door for lawyers to force colleges to pay them. Those are two separate things.

I remember when I was this naive. I was about 10 years old.

Snark with nothing to back it up. Well, that's nothing new for you.

Where is the army of lawyers insisting that the U.S. Olympic committee pay athletes? They aren't restricting those athletes from accepting endorsements. Is it an exact comparison? No. But it is as close as we have seen.

Allowing the athletes to earn money any way they can on their own is one thing. Having schools pay them directly is another. I'm not sure why that is so hard for you to grasp.

Title IX doesn't apply to the USOC bright boy.

As has already been pointed out, the minute it's announced that football and men's basketball players are going to be paid, a battalion of Title IX lawyers will descend on courthouses across America to file suit against the NCAA and its member schools on behalf of women's college athletes.

Anyone who believes otherwise is a forking fool.

 

[hondo]

Give all athletes 10% of the gate when they play a game on top of their scholarships.

If you have 50,000 people paying $50 each, that is $2,500,000. Ten percent of that is $250,000 split amongest 200 kids (more or less) or about a grand a game for football players. You want to raise it higher? So be it.

I would use gate because it is the quickest way to get money back to the athlete. The university would have all the funds by the time the game has ended. TV money is too complicated and jersey sales are not cut and dry either.

Your sport does not draw, then you don't get shirt.

That is where I would draw the line, though. You start letting them sell their image or their gear, then you are starting a feeding frenzy. "Hi. This is Cam for Teddy's Titty Bar on I-10..."

Sorry, but it would never work that way -- if you sport doesn't draw, "then you don't get shirt." Title 9 doesn't differentiate between sports that are financially successful and those that don't. I had an attorney who specializes in litigating federal law who told me that the day the NCAA starts paying football and basketball players only, there would be an entire cadre of lawyers lining up to sue the schools to pay the volleyball players and gymnasts. Everything has to be equal: 20 hours of practice, scholarships, etc. Because of that, you'll never see college football or basketball players get paid. Period. End of sentence. Everyone needs to quit wringing their hands over this and accept it. If kids want to get paid for playing sports, become a professional. If they can't get paid for playing professional sports, learn to do something else.

Which is why I like my plan. The schools just give the scholarships, but the athletes are free to get whatever else they can get.

Of course, this would mean the Jennie Finches on the softball team would get endorsements while the sixth outfielder gets nothing. But oh well.

But don't you get it? If any kind of payment for college athletes began, the Jennie Finches, the sixth outfielders and the backup single sculls rower at Amherst will have lawyers going to bat for them to get paid. So no one is. Of all the causes media and fans get on the bandwagon for (kill the BCS, etc.), this is one everyone needs to drop. Ain't never gonna happen.

Allowing athletes to get endorsements does not open the door for lawyers to force colleges to pay them. Those are two separate things.

Watch them.