the andre dawson hypothetical

Chi City 81 · Aug 1, 2006

dignan said:

The Good Doctor said:

dignan said:

The Good Doctor said:

dignan said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

If I remember correctly, Dawson had that monster 1987 season in a year where there was no other real, clear cut choice... For some reason I remember that the voting wasn't even close...

If a guy leads the league in HR and RBI in the same season, they had better be a top five MVP candidate, I don't care if they're in first or last place...
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In 1987, Dawson beat runner-up Ozzie Smith (.303, 9 HR) by 100 points.

You're right, no one in the top 10 came close. Interestingly, Dale Murphy at No. 11 had as good a year as Dawson, if not better:

Hawk: .287, 49 HR, 137 RBI, .896 OPS for Cubs (76-85)
Murph: .295, 44 HR, 105 RBI, .997 OPS for Braves (69-92)

Murphy could have had his third MVP in seven years, and perhaps a spot in the Hall of Fame.
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He hit five more home runs and drove in 32 more runs for a team that won seven more games. His season was better how, exactly?
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Well, he KILLED Dawson in OPS -- 100 points is huge.

I think they cancel each other out in HR and Avg. -- they were about even. But Murphy did hit his 44 HR in 75 fewer ABs.

The RBI gap is glaring, but Hawk had a Hall of Famer (Sandberg) and a good Leon Durham batting in front of him. Murphy had Ken Oberkfell and the immortal Dion James.

Oh, and Murphy also crushed Dawson in runs scored -- 115 to 90.

What else you want to know, Doc?
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Whether you spit or swallowed Dale's seed.
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Ha, and I thought this was a web site for intelligent, mature sports conversation. Shoulda known better.

All I said was, it's surprising that Murphy finished so low (11th) in the balloting, since his and Dawson's numbers were so similar. And I do think, taking a second look at their stats 20 years later, the argument could be made that Murph had the better year.

What time is recess these days, anyway?
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Right after lunch. Now fetch me a beer, newbie.

Overrated · Aug 1, 2006

dignan said:

The Good Doctor said:

dignan said:

The Good Doctor said:

dignan said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

If I remember correctly, Dawson had that monster 1987 season in a year where there was no other real, clear cut choice... For some reason I remember that the voting wasn't even close...

If a guy leads the league in HR and RBI in the same season, they had better be a top five MVP candidate, I don't care if they're in first or last place...
Click to expand...

In 1987, Dawson beat runner-up Ozzie Smith (.303, 9 HR) by 100 points.

You're right, no one in the top 10 came close. Interestingly, Dale Murphy at No. 11 had as good a year as Dawson, if not better:

Hawk: .287, 49 HR, 137 RBI, .896 OPS for Cubs (76-85)
Murph: .295, 44 HR, 105 RBI, .997 OPS for Braves (69-92)

Murphy could have had his third MVP in seven years, and perhaps a spot in the Hall of Fame.
Click to expand...

He hit five more home runs and drove in 32 more runs for a team that won seven more games. His season was better how, exactly?
Click to expand...

Well, he KILLED Dawson in OPS -- 100 points is huge.

I think they cancel each other out in HR and Avg. -- they were about even. But Murphy did hit his 44 HR in 75 fewer ABs.

The RBI gap is glaring, but Hawk had a Hall of Famer (Sandberg) and a good Leon Durham batting in front of him. Murphy had Ken Oberkfell and the immortal Dion James.

Oh, and Murphy also crushed Dawson in runs scored -- 115 to 90.

What else you want to know, Doc?
Click to expand...

Whether you spit or swallowed Dale's seed.
Click to expand...

Ha, and I thought this was a web site for intelligent, mature sports conversation. Shoulda known better.

All I said was, it's surprising that Murphy finished so low (11th) in the balloting, since his and Dawson's numbers were so similar. And I do think, taking a second look at their stats 20 years later, the argument could be made that Murph had the better year.

But go ahead and call me a homo, whatever.

What time is recess these days, anyway?
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Don't come near the slide. Us cool kids are smoking a J over here.

Dignan · Aug 1, 2006

Overrated said:

dignan said:

The Good Doctor said:

dignan said:

The Good Doctor said:

dignan said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

If I remember correctly, Dawson had that monster 1987 season in a year where there was no other real, clear cut choice... For some reason I remember that the voting wasn't even close...

If a guy leads the league in HR and RBI in the same season, they had better be a top five MVP candidate, I don't care if they're in first or last place...
Click to expand...

In 1987, Dawson beat runner-up Ozzie Smith (.303, 9 HR) by 100 points.

You're right, no one in the top 10 came close. Interestingly, Dale Murphy at No. 11 had as good a year as Dawson, if not better:

Hawk: .287, 49 HR, 137 RBI, .896 OPS for Cubs (76-85)
Murph: .295, 44 HR, 105 RBI, .997 OPS for Braves (69-92)

Murphy could have had his third MVP in seven years, and perhaps a spot in the Hall of Fame.
Click to expand...

He hit five more home runs and drove in 32 more runs for a team that won seven more games. His season was better how, exactly?
Click to expand...

Well, he KILLED Dawson in OPS -- 100 points is huge.

I think they cancel each other out in HR and Avg. -- they were about even. But Murphy did hit his 44 HR in 75 fewer ABs.

The RBI gap is glaring, but Hawk had a Hall of Famer (Sandberg) and a good Leon Durham batting in front of him. Murphy had Ken Oberkfell and the immortal Dion James.

Oh, and Murphy also crushed Dawson in runs scored -- 115 to 90.

What else you want to know, Doc?
Click to expand...

Whether you spit or swallowed Dale's seed.
Click to expand...

Ha, and I thought this was a web site for intelligent, mature sports conversation. Shoulda known better.

All I said was, it's surprising that Murphy finished so low (11th) in the balloting, since his and Dawson's numbers were so similar. And I do think, taking a second look at their stats 20 years later, the argument could be made that Murph had the better year.

But go ahead and call me a homo, whatever.

What time is recess these days, anyway?
Click to expand...

Don't come near the slide. Us cool kids are smoking a J over here.
Click to expand...

Those are candy cigarettes, you idiot.

zeke12 · Aug 1, 2006

did Bubbler get the hook-up again?

That was some good shit last time.

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