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The Athletic ... any thoughts ...

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by icoverbucks, Apr 18, 2017.

  1. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    They hired a bunch of analytic guys on the hockey side.
     
  2. Elliotte Friedman

    Elliotte Friedman Moderator Staff Member

    That's going to be an interesting one for me. Some of these guys have strong online followings, but I'm curious to see if people will pay for them. Viewers reacted very negatively to our "advanced metrics" segments on TV. We stopped them.
     
  3. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Some of it is far to involved and loses me. I have no doubt the stuff Dellow does is useful but it's a complete bore to me.
     
  4. Fran Curci

    Fran Curci Well-Known Member

    Based on his name, I assume Cubs beat writer is of Asian-American descent.
     
  5. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

  6. HappyCurmudgeon

    HappyCurmudgeon Well-Known Member

    There's definitely is some "perception is reality" issues but I think the criticism the Athletic is getting holds up.

    How many of their full-time jobs were actually posted for applicants to send things in and at least have the opportunity to have their clips read and possibly get a phone interview at the least? Who is doing the hiring? How did they get into that position and how did they decide who filled what roles? Clearly they are targeting certain writers and I understand that. I understand starting a CFB web project and wanting a "dream team" of writers that he liked or that were friends of his or had strong social media followings. But that sort of insider hiring is a problem. It's a problem for anyone that is looking for another opportunity be it black, white, Asian, young, old, male or female and isn't part of the various little circles of writers that's developing around the business.

    I heard after the social media shaming that another writer was promoted from freelancer to full time but if he/she were given a legitimate opportunity to get a full-time position in the first place he/she certainly has the ability and skills to earn it without feeling like it was handed over out of pressure or shame.
     
  7. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Diversity in staff has never proven to be a boon to circulation in any way. When the venture's entire existence depends on drawing subscribers, I'd imagine it would be even more irrelevant as a business concern.

    It's a nice thing to talk about at journalism conventions. Has no bearing on the bottom line.
     
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  8. Jake_Taylor

    Jake_Taylor Well-Known Member

    That's kind of my thought, though as a 36-year-old white guy I admit I might not value diversity as much as some.

    But if you are launching a college basketball site and can get Andy Katz, for instance, you'd be crazy not get him. Even if it leaves you unable to get as much fresh talent. If this venture is making tons of money in a few years, that's a different story. But going out of business doesn't help anybody.
     
  9. HappyCurmudgeon

    HappyCurmudgeon Well-Known Member

    And I'm never seen proof that having an all-white staff brings in additional revenue. When I hear a news outlet is going out of business because there's too much diversity on the staff I'll admit I was wrong.
     
  10. QYFW

    QYFW Well-Known Member

    Journalists, regardless of race, don't help the bottom line.
     
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  11. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    It's legitimate criticism for any national site.

    When you start talking about % of jobs...look...I've worked in a few smaller shops along the way. Jobs were posted. People applied. More than once, an African American wasn't among the applicants.
     
  12. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    I've always thought it was a bit silly and hypocritical for white guys, of whom I am one, to complain about the diversity in newsrooms. If this is such an awful problem, I thought, why don't you do something about it? Like, you know, quit and create an opportunity for the underrepresented.
    The larger issue is when white guys in management would talk about it. You, I thought, are the only people in the building who can really do something about it. So do it.
    The root of the issue -- or one of them -- is that the low minors of the business are often white and rural and therefore not the sort of places minority candidates would prefer to live. I imagine it's hard enough being a member of a minority group in a large metro area.
     
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