'The case against summer vacation'

[Professor Snape]

Wrong, douchebox.quote]

why do you people talk to each other like this?

 

[JR]

Beef, long hours in retail is a fact of life. I was a bookseller for fourteen years so I know the environment. But the skill set in managing a retail store is entirely different from teaching.

Absolutely different skill sets are needed wasn't the point I was trying to make. The point I was trying to make was a comparison in hours and how hard one works. Was just trying to make the point that many people work long, hard hours and that this bowing down before teachers because of "how hard" they work has me shaking my head.

Yeah, you can work long and hard hours shovelling shirt but it doesn't make it more challenging than teaching.

And no one's "bowing down to teachers" Some of us get pissed off at people who think teachers have cushy jobs and when people defend the profession, they're accused of 'bowing down" to them.

 

[Pilot]

I skimmed most of the teacher hate, so hopefully these are still fresh points:

Ok, for much of the country "summer vacation" is a relic of an era when everyone farmed. Some sections of the country still do farm and many kids still play vital roles in that. What's the percentage of the country where the rest needs to start giving a shirt, I have no idea, but I know I spent many a summer day on the tractor.

Second: Would there be additional cost associated with a new schedule? How many schools these days don't have air conditioners? I know when I was in school -- I'm 28 -- they would often let us out early on August days when it was really hot. Pretty sure all the schools I attended now have AC, but there might be a lot in the country that don't. Plus, it probably costs a lot to run them during the summer. Of course, you'd offset that some by not running the heat for two months in January ... anyway. I don't know how it would all work out, but I do wonder if it would raise costs for schools that can't afford to raise costs now. The school where my mom works added 10 minutes to every day last year so as to go fewer days and save on school bus gas.

 

[outofplace]

Many schools do not have air conditioning. How much learning do you think goes on when the kids and teachers are too hot to focus? Just one of many issues with going to a year-round schedule.

 

[JR]

Wrong, douchebox.quote]

why do you people talk to each other like this?

Um, because douches like you don't know how to use the quote function.

You see, you even forked up my quote function

 

[JC]

Teachers are vastly underpaid for what they do. We take them for granted, big-time.

Maybe some are. But one I play tennis with just retired in her mid-50s with a final salary of $77,000.

And now she has pension and the chance to sub at her convenience.

Three other friends of mine dropped journalism in their early 30s and became teachers. How many other professions can one seamlessly ease into like that? Or to put it another way, say a teacher friend of yours in her 30s wants to become a journalist. What are her chances of 1) finding a job, and 2) finding a better-paying job?

It amazes me that people think 77000 after 30 years is a heck of a lot of money.

 

[Beef03]

Teachers are vastly underpaid for what they do. We take them for granted, big-time.

Maybe some are. But one I play tennis with just retired in her mid-50s with a final salary of $77,000.

And now she has pension and the chance to sub at her convenience.

Three other friends of mine dropped journalism in their early 30s and became teachers. How many other professions can one seamlessly ease into like that? Or to put it another way, say a teacher friend of yours in her 30s wants to become a journalist. What are her chances of 1) finding a job, and 2) finding a better-paying job?

It amazes me that people think 77000 after 30 years is a heck of a lot of money.

In this day and age it isn't a ton of money. It's OK money. It's better money than I'll be seeing after 30 years if I stay in this business. And you don't need to be college edumacted to make that coin or have a white collar job, I know plenty of people who make six figures in the oil patch or close to it as electricians or plumbers, not as mid level execs. but as guys out in the field.

 

[JC]

Teachers are vastly underpaid for what they do. We take them for granted, big-time.

Maybe some are. But one I play tennis with just retired in her mid-50s with a final salary of $77,000.

And now she has pension and the chance to sub at her convenience.

Three other friends of mine dropped journalism in their early 30s and became teachers. How many other professions can one seamlessly ease into like that? Or to put it another way, say a teacher friend of yours in her 30s wants to become a journalist. What are her chances of 1) finding a job, and 2) finding a better-paying job?

It amazes me that people think 77000 after 30 years is a heck of a lot of money.

In this day and age it isn't a ton of money. It's OK money. It's better money than I'll be seeing after 30 years if I stay in this business. And you don't need to be college edumacted to make that coin or have a white collar job, I know plenty of people who make six figures in the oil patch or close to it as electricians or plumbers, not as mid level execs. but as guys out in the field.

Then why stay in the business?

 

[Beef03]

Teachers are vastly underpaid for what they do. We take them for granted, big-time.

Maybe some are. But one I play tennis with just retired in her mid-50s with a final salary of $77,000.

And now she has pension and the chance to sub at her convenience.

Three other friends of mine dropped journalism in their early 30s and became teachers. How many other professions can one seamlessly ease into like that? Or to put it another way, say a teacher friend of yours in her 30s wants to become a journalist. What are her chances of 1) finding a job, and 2) finding a better-paying job?

It amazes me that people think 77000 after 30 years is a heck of a lot of money.

In this day and age it isn't a ton of money. It's OK money. It's better money than I'll be seeing after 30 years if I stay in this business. And you don't need to be college edumacted to make that coin or have a white collar job, I know plenty of people who make six figures in the oil patch or close to it as electricians or plumbers, not as mid level execs. but as guys out in the field.

Then why stay in the business?

Whoever said I was in this business for the money?

 

[imjustagirl]

Wrong, douchebox.

why do you people talk to each other like this?

In my defense, I don't talk to "each other" like this. I talk to BTExpress like this.

Still not right, but more defensible.

 

[DanOregon]

I remember going to summer school when I was a kid. It was fun. You took art classes, sports, cooking, drama...and then California passed Prop 13 and it was cut.
I see schools sitting empty in July and August and it seems like a waste. Instead, parents shell out hundreds of dollars a week for various day camps to keep their kids busy.
The money teachers make is really a pittance. Easily the lowest paying job that requires a graduate degree and so much responsibily.

 

[Boom_70]

The Time article is crap. Another example of class warfare created by the Obama administration.

Sure the lower class is all for year round school so they have somewhere to stick their kids.

No doubt there would be increased taxes associated with year round school - all footed by the middle class home owners who don't want or need year round school.