The new and improved, fight-free Romney vs. Obama thread!

[Herbert Anchovy]

With the argyle scarf wrapped dashingly around the neck.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

Which is funny, seeing that we frequently hear of businesses firing their employees for posting their opinions about their jobs.

 

[Starman]

The Dems could not ask for a better gift than the GOP to put Fatfork Boy on the ticket.

Talk about an easy target. LMAO.

 

[da man]

Wait, someone thinks Alma has a small mind?

In terms of politics? For sure.

He sees everything one way. Can't give a single Republican credit for a good idea, a good soul, or a an alert mind.

Every problem is the fault of Republicans, and Democrats deserve no blame.

He has a victim mentality the likes of Starman.

It's sad. And, it's small minded.

You're back to living inside everyone's head again. You really just don't know. But you're proving my point. Us vs. Them.

Us vs. Them is the province of the right?

Please.

See that rich guy over there? It's all his fault!!!!!!!

 

[doctorquant]

I wonder how much of that apparent improvement is attributable to simply taking people off the unemployment rolls. Most of those states chose not to extend benefits.

There's a lot of "fun with numbers" going on there. You start playing around with percentages and you can tell pretty much any story you want to tell. Trust me ... I'm a doctor!

 

[Alma]

Wait, someone thinks Alma has a small mind?

In terms of politics? For sure.

He sees everything one way. Can't give a single Republican credit for a good idea, a good soul, or a an alert mind.

Every problem is the fault of Republicans, and Democrats deserve no blame.

He has a victim mentality the likes of Starman.

It's sad. And, it's small minded.

You're back to living inside everyone's head again. You really just don't know. But you're proving my point. Us vs. Them.

Us vs. Them is the province of the right?

Please.

See that rich guy over there? It's all his fault!!!!!!!

Of course it goes both ways. To outline one Us vs. Them conversation doesn't exclude any of the others. It's notable, of course, that your response of "they do it, too" or "they started first" doesn't absolve the Tea Party of its culpability.

 

[waterytart]

You've got the blue side as me/us/right/self.

Creosote has flipped. Suck it, etc.

;D

 

[da man]

Wait, someone thinks Alma has a small mind?

In terms of politics? For sure.

He sees everything one way. Can't give a single Republican credit for a good idea, a good soul, or a an alert mind.

Every problem is the fault of Republicans, and Democrats deserve no blame.

He has a victim mentality the likes of Starman.

It's sad. And, it's small minded.

You're back to living inside everyone's head again. You really just don't know. But you're proving my point. Us vs. Them.

Us vs. Them is the province of the right?

Please.

See that rich guy over there? It's all his fault!!!!!!!

Of course it goes both ways. To outline one Us vs. Them conversation doesn't exclude any of the others. It's notable, of course, that your response of "they do it, too" or "they started first" doesn't absolve the Tea Party of its culpability.

Note: I am neither a Republican nor a member of the Tea Party. I am a disgusted independent who fails to see an effective answer from either side. The series of posts seemed to suggest one side accusing the other of divisive politics when in fact there is plenty of that coming from the left.

 

[YankeeFan]

You know, YF, I've grown to enjoy your presence here over the years. You're an intelligent guy and, for the most part, you're pretty respectful of what we do as journalists. So I say this respectfully: To bring up Starman's father and to bring up shirt from his professional life when all he did was slap around your favorite politician was a straight up asshole move. Ronnie Reagan, as much as you may love him, is not a member of your family. Part of what makes this place great is that we can share details about our personal lives that enrich our connection to one another. You don't like Starman's politics? Fine. You're not alone. You don't like the way he argues? You're not alone. But have enough pride to not have your feeling hurt by his comments about a POLITICIAN you like so that you resort to taking shots at his life and his career. Now, I'm sure if you recruit Boom you can probably find an instance where I took a dig at deck about law school four years ago over his love of Hillary Clinton, and if so, bravo. I was probably an asshole there, just like you were tonight.

There are a handful of conservative posters here who get on my nerves, and one I find particularly hateful. I know some things about his real life that would be hurtful if I mentioned them in response to one of his hateful screeds, and I can't say I haven't been tempted to go scorched earth on him. And if I did, I would hope you'd call me out too.

A guy takes a personal shot at you, by all means fire away.

A guy takes some shots at your political hero and you're upset enough that you use stuff he's said elsewhere on SJ about himself in an attempt to wound him? deck move.

This concludes your irregularly scheduled sanctimonious scolding for violations of made up message board etiquette.

DD, I appreciate your post. I really do. And, I understand why it makes you uncomfortable.

But, a couple of things in my defense:

- Starman is a guy who calls women (albeit famous people, not necessarily posters here) the "C" word, and when folks protest, his defense is that they shouldn't get into a political rumble, if they're not ready for a fight.

- Starman made the comparison with Reagan personal. He didn't just call him a doddering old fool. He claimed to have been smarter than Reagan by the age of 22, and then amended it to the age of 10. I'm sorry if I'd like to see some evidence of this.

Just like you're not allowed to give yourself a nickname, you also can't declare yourself to be smart. Someone else has to do that. Starman can say he's smart, but he's yet to show it.

So far, I'll take Zombie Reagan over 22-year-old Starman.

- It's difficult to separate personal from politics with Starman, since he is so convinced that his personal situation is a direct result, not only of political decisions made in Washington D.C., but specifically as a result of Republican policies. The only way to rebut it is too look at his personal situation.

- The father comment? Well, maybe I went over the line, but again, with Starman, it's not as easy to draw the line. He's vicious when he speaks about people like Bristol Palin. Kids and parents are not off limits.

He also acts like every person who's ever done well in life is either a winner of the sperm lottery, a crook, or the beneficiary of some Republican legislation designed to reward favored persons.

So, forgive me if I find it ironic that he followed his fathers footsteps into a career.

A young Ronald Reagan had no such option. He made it on his own. He left home, first for Iowa, then for Hollywood, and made a career for himself in a field where he had no connections.

He took a risk, and moved far from home, and family.

Starman has chosen to live his entire life within a 50-mile radius of the hospital he was born in. Talk about a lack of intellectual curiosity. He lives in a state that's been decimated by a loss of manufacturing jobs, but he doesn't see how Democrat and Union policies played into the downfall of his state's industry. Local politicians, and the local community bear no blame. It's all a result of (Republican) politicians in Washington.

And, yet, he stays in his state; he stays in his failing industry, all while blaming others for his woes.

I suppose a young Ronald Reagan could have remained in Dixon, IL. He probably could have found work in a sporting goods store. But, I doubt he would have become President.

Sometimes, life is what you make of it.

Reagan is an American success story - a true realization of the American Dream. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are too.

Starman is just a bitter, prematurely old man who takes no personal responsibility for his own life. It's sad, and nothing will change for him until he realizes this.

 

[YankeeFan]

YF - the shot at his dad was over the top.

I took no shot at his father.

Any father would help his son get started in his career if he could.

 

[YankeeFan]

Did I read somewhere on this page that the war on drugs was a good idea and/or effective?

Have we shown that a different policy would have brought about better results?

Or that it is/was exclusively a Reagan/Republican policy?

 

[Azrael]

"We're taking down the surrender flag that has flown over so many drug efforts; we're running up a battle flag."

www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=42671#axzz204Ksoltz

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=87603

In addition to the huge budget increases for interdiction, the Reagan Administration upped mandatory minimum drug sentences by a factor of magnitude.