The Ray Rice Elevator Video

[Football_Bat]

Didn't Rice get 25 mil up front on his last deal?

I get that right?

15 million signing bonus plus 3 million in salary the last 2 years

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/ray-rice/

Little more:

In hindsight, the Ravens arguably did the wrong thing by giving Rice a grossly front-loaded contract in July 2012.

In that month, the Ravens paid Rice $15 million to sign, along with a 2012 base salary of $2 million. He then received a $7 million option bonus last March, along with a $1 million 2013 base salary.

That's a total of $25 million for only two years of football.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/08/front-loaded-rice-contract-blows-up-on-ravens/

Contract aside, there are some seriously stupid people in positions of power here.

That's a little unfair. The Ravens gambled on the contract and got burned, to be sure. But nobody in 2012 could forecast that Rice was going to punch out his fiancée 18 months later. Rice to that point was a model citizen.

Now if Jerry Jones backs up the Brinks truck for Dez Bryant and Bryant does something horrific a year from now, then Jones deserves all the blame because Bryant has a track record.

I said "Contract aside"

Talking about the NFL Machine, including media.

Gotcha. I misunderstood.

 

[Songbird]

Ray's getting another chance after he attends counseling. Bet your house on that.

First transgression. Big transgression, but first transgression.

 

[qtlaw]

I suggest we almost ignore Mrs. Rice's comments; many professionals say that victims protect the abusers and will go to great lengths to do so; that's why the State has the sole power to prosecute and press charges, independent of the victim's view.

Bringing up the Hardy and Suggs cases sheds light on the problem but should not obscure how badly the NFL and the Ravens screwed this up.

 

[Machine Head]

Didn't Rice get 25 mil up front on his last deal?

I get that right?

15 million signing bonus plus 3 million in salary the last 2 years

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/ray-rice/

Little more:

In hindsight, the Ravens arguably did the wrong thing by giving Rice a grossly front-loaded contract in July 2012.

In that month, the Ravens paid Rice $15 million to sign, along with a 2012 base salary of $2 million. He then received a $7 million option bonus last March, along with a $1 million 2013 base salary.

That's a total of $25 million for only two years of football.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/08/front-loaded-rice-contract-blows-up-on-ravens/

Contract aside, there are some seriously stupid people in positions of power here.

That's a little unfair. The Ravens gambled on the contract and got burned, to be sure. But nobody in 2012 could forecast that Rice was going to punch out his fiancée 18 months later. Rice to that point was a model citizen.

Now if Jerry Jones backs up the Brinks truck for Dez Bryant and Bryant does something horrific a year from now, then Jones deserves all the blame because Bryant has a track record.

I said "Contract aside"

Talking about the NFL Machine, including media.

Gotcha. I misunderstood.

No worries.

 

[Machine Head]

What the heck does this guy do now for the rest of his life?

America will be much better-served if he has to resort to bank robbery and murder-for-hire than if he played football on Sundays. He's also much more likely to get and continue anger-management counselling now that he has no income.

Of course, neither of these statements are true, but America got its pound of flesh today, and that's all that really matters.

What today was about is you don't fork with the revenue stream.

And if you do, make sure you have the juice to ride it out.

 

[franticscribe]

While the buzz focuses on the Rice situation...Christine Brennan shines a necessary light on other active players/alleged abusers who are still playing. Where's the firestorm over these cases? An excerpt from her solid USAT column:

...Ray Rice is gone from the Baltimore Ravens and suspended indefinitely by the NFL. That's a very good ending to an absolutely horrible situation.

But what of Ray McDonald, the San Francisco 49ers defensive lineman who is facing a felony domestic violence charge, yet still playing?

Or Greg Hardy, the Carolina Panthers defensive end who was found guilty of assaulting his former girlfriend and threatening to kill her, who also is still playing?

Why haven't the Panthers released Hardy, who's awaiting appeal on a guilty verdict, or even suspended him? Why haven't the 49ers benched McDonald, who was arrested this month but has not yet been charged? Where's NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell on these two?

...Now that the Ravens and the NFL have finally come to the right decision on Rice, can Hardy and McDonald be far behind?

And if not, why not? Is it because we can't see it? That must be it, because if you read about what they did or allegedly did, it certainly sounds just as bad as what Rice did to his then-fiance Janay Palmer in that Atlantic City elevator.

So, as positive as the Rice banishment is, it begs a very big question: What did everyone think domestic violence looked like?

And, now that we know, how can anyone who is cheering the Rice news today, including all kinds of NFL players on social media, also not demand that McDonald and Hardy go too?

Or what about Rice's Baltimore teammate, Pro Bowl linebacker Terrell Suggs? Suggs' longtime girlfriend, Candace Williams, claimed in a protective order filed in 2012, obtained by the Baltimore Sun, that Suggs punched her in the neck and drove a car containing their two children at a "high rate of speed" while she was being dragged alongside.

Let's imagine that video for a moment.

Also, in a 2009 incident, Williams said Suggs, "held me down on the floor and poured bleach on me and our son, held me down on the floor and kicked my face and broke my nose. Throughout our relationship since early 2007, he has punched me in the face and stomach and threatened to take the children from me if I left him. He stole my ID so I could not leave."

This man played Sunday for the Ravens in their loss to the Cincinnati Bengals. Why? Was it because there's no video? Of course it was. And he'll be playing this Thursday night on national television against the Pittsburgh Steelers, even though he shouldn't be, at least according to the NFL's new Rice standards, as of today...

I am not in anyway defending Greg Hardy, but he is in the eyes of the law of the state of the North Carolina considered "Not Guilty" at this point. To say that he has appealed a guilty verdict is factually correct, but without explanation either shows ignorance of how North Carolina courts work or an intention to mislead. Unlike some other states - those who want a jury trial in North Carolina on a misdemeanor charge must first go before a judge in a court that is not a court of record and be found guilty. Once that has happened, should they choose to have a jury trial, they get a de novo trial - meaning the court system treats it as though the slate is completely wiped clean - in front of a jury in a court of record. To casually say he is "waiting appeal on a guilty verdict" makes the laymen think he has been found guilty by a jury and his case is now in front of an appellate court, which is not the case.

And unlike in Ray Rice's case, there is no video recording out there that makes the case against Greg Hardy particularly strong. The Panthers and NFL would be wise to wait until the court system has given him due process before making a decision on his suspension.

 

[franticscribe]

I suggest we almost ignore Mrs. Rice's comments; many professionals say that victims protect the abusers and will go to great lengths to do so; that's why the State has the sole power to prosecute and press charges, independent of the victim's view.

Bringing up the Hardy and Suggs cases sheds light on the problem but should not obscure how badly the NFL and the Ravens screwed this up.

Yes. This times a 100. Her story is consistent with the majority of DV victims I have dealt with.

 

[Boom_70]

While the buzz focuses on the Rice situation...Christine Brennan shines a necessary light on other active players/alleged abusers who are still playing. Where's the firestorm over these cases? An excerpt from her solid USAT column:

...Ray Rice is gone from the Baltimore Ravens and suspended indefinitely by the NFL. That's a very good ending to an absolutely horrible situation.

But what of Ray McDonald, the San Francisco 49ers defensive lineman who is facing a felony domestic violence charge, yet still playing?

Or Greg Hardy, the Carolina Panthers defensive end who was found guilty of assaulting his former girlfriend and threatening to kill her, who also is still playing?

Why haven't the Panthers released Hardy, who's awaiting appeal on a guilty verdict, or even suspended him? Why haven't the 49ers benched McDonald, who was arrested this month but has not yet been charged? Where's NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell on these two?

...Now that the Ravens and the NFL have finally come to the right decision on Rice, can Hardy and McDonald be far behind?

And if not, why not? Is it because we can't see it? That must be it, because if you read about what they did or allegedly did, it certainly sounds just as bad as what Rice did to his then-fiance Janay Palmer in that Atlantic City elevator.

So, as positive as the Rice banishment is, it begs a very big question: What did everyone think domestic violence looked like?

And, now that we know, how can anyone who is cheering the Rice news today, including all kinds of NFL players on social media, also not demand that McDonald and Hardy go too?

Or what about Rice's Baltimore teammate, Pro Bowl linebacker Terrell Suggs? Suggs' longtime girlfriend, Candace Williams, claimed in a protective order filed in 2012, obtained by the Baltimore Sun, that Suggs punched her in the neck and drove a car containing their two children at a "high rate of speed" while she was being dragged alongside.

Let's imagine that video for a moment.

Also, in a 2009 incident, Williams said Suggs, "held me down on the floor and poured bleach on me and our son, held me down on the floor and kicked my face and broke my nose. Throughout our relationship since early 2007, he has punched me in the face and stomach and threatened to take the children from me if I left him. He stole my ID so I could not leave."

This man played Sunday for the Ravens in their loss to the Cincinnati Bengals. Why? Was it because there's no video? Of course it was. And he'll be playing this Thursday night on national television against the Pittsburgh Steelers, even though he shouldn't be, at least according to the NFL's new Rice standards, as of today...

McDonald's case hasn't gone through the courts yet, so it's a bit early to be complaining about the NFL's inaction.

I'm not as familiar with the accusations about Suggs. We have claims by the woman. Do we have evidence? That is a big part of the difference here. There is no doubt Rice is guilty. None. Can we really say the same about McDonald or Suggs?

There is a strong point to be made there, but Brennan isn't making it in that excerpt.

The Patriots did not waste anytime cutting Aaron Hernandez. Why wait on McDonald?

 

[TigerVols]

Ray's getting another chance after he attends counseling. Bet your house on that.

First transgression. Big transgression, but first transgression.

First, for now...but it's just a matter of time before we hear of at least one other victim in his past.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

Here's an issue I have with this. It seems like it's double jeopardy.

The league knew the incident happened. Goodell issues the punishment. Now that the full video comes put, he issues a second punishment because he is embarrassed instead of just issuing the more severe punishment first.

He's doing this out of embarrassment, not for punishment.

 

[YankeeFan]

btw, TMZ is the forking tits, man. They scoop everybody with this stuff, time and again.

True, but I'm not sure it's a fair fight when your organization (TMZ) can buy stuff and others, at least in theory, can't do it ethically.

The network morning shows pay for photos/videos all the time.

Since they won't technically pay for an interview, they'll pay people as terrible as Casey Anthony for home videos or pictures.

They could have bought this video, and when you consider how much money MLB paid to get documents in the Biogenesis investigation, you know the NFL could have bought it too if they wanted it.

 

[Boom_70]

Here's an issue I have with this. It seems like it's double jeopardy.

The league knew the incident happened. Goodell issues the punishment. Now that the full video comes put, he issues a second punishment because he is embarrassed instead of just issuing the more severe punishment first.

He's doing this out of embarrassment, not for punishment.

Seems to me is that it's a private matter and the league is not bound by criminal law.

Also possible that The League told Rice that 2 games could become more if the
facts changed.