The Veep Thread

[93Devil]

Who does pay for roads and police in your tax-free utopia? Does everyone just chip in what they see fit?

Cutting out the 5.3 percent income tax would still leave Massachusetts with $17 billion to budget.

I think that is plenty for these idiots to manage.

I think it continues to be the Greatest Dumb Idea in the history of Dumb Ideas.
But it really doesn't have anything to do with this thread.
And zag, the correct answer to the question posed to you is, "The freeways rot, and the bridges collapse, but is a FREE PEOPLE that gets to fall into the river."

1. You start taking money from the government then you start getting cutbacks in building inspections and road and bridge maintenance. Then you have disasters like Katrina and the Minnesota bridge.

You also have planning committees in cities start to miss structural flaws in building plans, because, trust me, a contractor will build a building for as cheap as they can.

If you have structural flaws in buildings, then you start having schools collapsing during earthquakes.

2. The government and schools do waste money. No question about it.

How can you hand over hundreds of millions of dollars or billions of dollars to a government, but this said government does not have an MBA or a CPA on their staff? If they do have a CPA, I'm sure it's only one.

Also, no government will plan for the future. They plan only for the time they are in office. For example, if I told you it costs $500,000 to power, heat and cool a high school for one year, but if you spent $300,000 today, it would only cost $400,000 to power, heat and cool the building. You would have your $300,000 back in three years, and then it would be gravy time.

For GE this would be a no brainer.

For a government, it would never get done.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Uh, 93.
Not to be picky, but the president of this government has an MBA.

 

[93Devil]

Uh, 93.
Not to be picky, but the president of this government has an MBA.

Local governemnt.

Sorry, I should have been clearer.

Oh, how many box tops did he have to send in to get that MBA from Corn Flakes Tech?

 

[zagoshe]

Who does pay for roads and police in your tax-free utopia? Does everyone just chip in what they see fit?

Cutting out the 5.3 percent income tax would still leave Massachusetts with $17 billion to budget.

I think that is plenty for these idiots to manage.

I think it continues to be the Greatest Dumb Idea in the history of Dumb Ideas.
But it really doesn't have anything to do with this thread.
And zag, the correct answer to the question posed to you is, "The freeways rot, and the bridges collapse, but is a FREE PEOPLE that gets to fall into the river."

1. You start taking money from the government then you start getting cutbacks in building inspections and road and bridge maintenance. Then you have disasters like Katrina and the Minnesota bridge.

You also have planning committees in cities start to miss structural flaws in building plans, because, trust me, a contractor will build a building for as cheap as they can.

If you have structural flaws in buildings, then you start having schools collapsing during earthquakes.

2. The government and schools do waste money. No question about it.

How can you hand over hundreds of millions of dollars or billions of dollars to a government, but this said government does not have an MBA or a CPA on their staff? If they do have a CPA, I'm sure it's only one.

Also, no government will plan for the future. They plan only for the time they are in office. For example, if I told you it costs $500,000 to power, heat and cool a high school for one year, but if you spent $300,000 today, it would only cost $400,000 to power, heat and cool the building. You would have your $300,000 back in three years, and then it would be gravy time.

For GE this would be a no brainer.

For a government, it would never get done.

That's crap and you know it -- we should force our government to be more bottom-line conscious at every turn and there are so many wasted billions in every budget that if we cut the fat the government would still be able to do ITS CONSTITUTIONALLY ALLOWED functions.

I mean my God I could cut about $16 billion out of the budget without one U.S. Citizen feeling it by eliminating international welfare (otherwise known as "foreign aid"). This idea that somehow the infrastructure would collapse and all heck would break loose if the government had to cut back on its spending is the ULTIMATE straw man of straw men, to use Fenian's favorite term.....

 

[zagoshe]

Oh and one other thing -- the budgets for governments are at an all time high and we STILL have things like Katrina, bad roads, collapsed bridges and our public school system still is in shambles --- so perhaps smaller and more efficient would be better than bloated and lazy.

 

[93Devil]

Who does pay for roads and police in your tax-free utopia? Does everyone just chip in what they see fit?

Cutting out the 5.3 percent income tax would still leave Massachusetts with $17 billion to budget.

I think that is plenty for these idiots to manage.

I think it continues to be the Greatest Dumb Idea in the history of Dumb Ideas.
But it really doesn't have anything to do with this thread.
And zag, the correct answer to the question posed to you is, "The freeways rot, and the bridges collapse, but is a FREE PEOPLE that gets to fall into the river."

1. You start taking money from the government then you start getting cutbacks in building inspections and road and bridge maintenance. Then you have disasters like Katrina and the Minnesota bridge.

You also have planning committees in cities start to miss structural flaws in building plans, because, trust me, a contractor will build a building for as cheap as they can.

If you have structural flaws in buildings, then you start having schools collapsing during earthquakes.

2. The government and schools do waste money. No question about it.

How can you hand over hundreds of millions of dollars or billions of dollars to a government, but this said government does not have an MBA or a CPA on their staff? If they do have a CPA, I'm sure it's only one.

Also, no government will plan for the future. They plan only for the time they are in office. For example, if I told you it costs $500,000 to power, heat and cool a high school for one year, but if you spent $300,000 today, it would only cost $400,000 to power, heat and cool the building. You would have your $300,000 back in three years, and then it would be gravy time.

For GE this would be a no brainer.

For a government, it would never get done.

That's crap and you know it -- we should force our government to be more bottom-line conscious at every turn and there are so many wasted billions in every budget that if we cut the fat the government would still be able to do ITS CONSTITUTIONALLY ALLOWED functions.

I mean my God I could cut about $16 billion out of the budget without one U.S. Citizen feeling it by eliminating international welfare (otherwise known as "foreign aid"). This idea that somehow the infrastructure would collapse and all heck would break loose if the government had to cut back on its spending is the ULTIMATE straw man of straw men, to use Fenian's favorite term.....

I would start local and work your way up.

 

[Yawn]

You're a myth.

Christians who are Democrats are a myth?

If you meant that -- you're pathetic.

He's said it a couple of dozen times, Ben.

So am I like Tyler Durden or something?

The first rule of being a Democratic Christian is you do not talk about being a Democratic Christian.

Cause, you know, it confuses people and stuff.

It sure as heck baffles the majority of those at any Democratic Party get-together. You might get a comment like "Well, that's nice that you try to reach out to those with a tendency for the superstitious. I mean, anything to get the votes."
And since you're a democrat first, they always have an assuring sense of your ultimate loyalty.

You're just so clever, Yawn. How can I be more like you?

Hey buddy, it's based on OBSERVATION. I've been to a political event around liberals who in a conversation with a "liberal Christian," said essentially the same things I shared in that hypothetical example, and it was in a very condescending, insincere tone.

 

[zagoshe]

Couldn't help but notice you modified your earlier post from "all" taxes to "most." And, see, now it just becomes a matter of which services you think government should or shouldn't provide. And that's all very subjective.

And sorry, I don't think "roads" are mentioned anywhere in the Constitution.

No, that's just it -- it is NOT subjective what the federal government should be allowed to collect and spend. It is all pretty clear -- where it became subjective is when we allowed judges to start invoking phrases like "for the greater good" into their rulings........

And the reason I modified the word all to most is because most is a far more accurate assessment as to what I and every Libertarian believes. I have no problem paying FAIR taxes to financially support the government.

 

[DemoChristian]

Hey buddy, it's based on OBSERVATION. I've been to a political event around liberals who in a conversation with a "liberal Christian," said essentially the same things I shared in that hypothetical example, and it was in a very condescending, insincere tone.

Here's my observation -- you do more harm than good to both your religion and your political party.
You spread the gospel of hate of the GOP and are a living example of why so many non-Christians hate those of us who try to follow the example of Jesus.
But hey, if it makes you feel better about yourself to question my faith and claim I don't exist, then continue in your ignorance.

 

[zagoshe]

Hey buddy, it's based on OBSERVATION. I've been to a political event around liberals who in a conversation with a "liberal Christian," said essentially the same things I shared in that hypothetical example, and it was in a very condescending, insincere tone.

Here's my observation -- you do more harm than good to both your religion and your political party.
You spread the gospel of hate of the GOP and are a living example of why so many non-Christians hate those of us who try to follow the example of Jesus.
But hey, if it makes you feel better about yourself to question my faith and claim I don't exist, then continue in your ignorance.

So Jesus would condone abortion and homosexuality and evolution?

That's a funny bible you are reading there.........

 

[Mizzougrad96]

I hate to bring this thread back to the original topic, but this is a pretty interesting read...

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/05/whos_ready_to_pick_a_vice_president.html

It's pretty interesting that Bernstein recently reported that Hillary wants the VP slot. I find this pretty surprising...

Strickland would be a great choice for Obama.

I think McCain will pick Romney.

 

[DemoChristian]

So Jesus would condone abortion and homosexuality and evolution?
That's a funny bible you are reading there.........

Find me a SINGLE reference to abortion in the Bible. I'll wait.
Then find me a SINGLE reference to gay marriage. I'll wait again.
Then show me where it says God simply cannot change animals. Still waiting...