What Makes This Piece Good, Vol. 4: Selena Roberts' gamer on Knicks/Heat

[RecoveringJournalist]

It's a problem when the germ of your piece makes no sense, as has been the case with the SI columns.

There are a lot of great writers who make very shirtty or mediocre columnists.

 

[Songbird]

For someone who asks a WHOLE LOT of questions in the same vein, you seem a little put off. Why is that?

He worships The New York Times. Many do not.

I don't object to the questions themselves. (I do think the Times is the best paper in the United States, and is one of only a small few aspiring to be great, but I don't think that's a factor here.)

What bothers me here is the underlying tone that others could turn out articles just as good if they only had the time, or the space, or the access, or the resources. That not only excuses their own work, it tears down the excellent work DD has highlighted.

BS, Yankee. Asking questions is not tearing it down or denigrating Selena. It's a discussion, remember?

And underlying tone? Please.

You know who can't do what Selena, or what any of the others who DD posted here do? Me. I can't do that.

But I can ask questions about how and why it all comes together.

 

[YankeeFan]

For someone who asks a WHOLE LOT of questions in the same vein, you seem a little put off. Why is that?

He worships The New York Times. Many do not.

I don't object to the questions themselves. (I do think the Times is the best paper in the United States, and is one of only a small few aspiring to be great, but I don't think that's a factor here.)

What bothers me here is the underlying tone that others could turn out articles just as good if they only had the time, or the space, or the access, or the resources. That not only excuses their own work, it tears down the excellent work DD has highlighted.

BS, Yankee. Asking questions is not tearing it down or denigrating Selena. It's a discussion, remember?

And underlying tone? Please.

You know who can't do what Selena, or what any of the others who DD posted here do? Me. I can't do that.

But I can ask questions about how and why it all comes together.

Not getting the same "tone" from all posters.

I think the questions are interesting. But, we've had four threads now. Similar questions have popped up on each thread. And, from some they sound like sour grapes.

 

[Songbird]

Or would that be "whom DD posted" ??

 

[jr/shotglass]

It is a great game story. And the question of deadline pressure or lack of same is a very valid question. You have to have done that to realize that.

Whereas some great writers don't make great columnists, some great columnists don't craft a compelling gamer.

 

[RecoveringJournalist]

I've always been surprised how many really, really good writers can't write a gamer worth a shirt. I think it's a combination of deadline pressure and not knowing how to balance play-by-play with what happened after the game.

I always tried to focus on something those who were watching on TV couldn't see. Anecdotes from the locker room or postgame or focus in on one important aspect of the game, but often deadline issues don't allow you to do that, and these days, since most places make writers file as soon as the game is done, I'm guessing very few completely rewrite, even when they have the time to do so.

 

[jr/shotglass]

Completely rewrite, no. But I'd bet most pro and major-college beat writers "update" their online stories with quotes and detail.

 

[93Devil]

I know the answer to Xan's question will somehow make people think less of the story, but the game was a 3 pm tip. But I seriously doubt the Times was holding pages up for very long for a Knicks gamer, especially in the Howell Raines era. Yeah, there is a higher degree of difficulty in writing 8 pm gamers. But for the most part, at any big paper, you don't get to sit there and stare at the laptop for an hour before you start writing.

Anyway, we'll get to the playoff baseball gamer that changes in the last inning in future editions, something I think is one of the hardest jobs in sports writing.

I don't think time will make anyone think less. If giving an extra 15 minutes means a better quality story, in today's journalism, what is more important; getting it 15 minutes faster on the web or making the story better? Or firing off a couple tweets before sitting down to craft the gamer?

 

[RecoveringJournalist]

Completely rewrite, no. But I'd bet most pro and major-college beat writers "update" their online stories with quotes and detail.

Oh, of course. And these days, even if the running you filed at the end of the game stands for the papers, you update the story with quotes and detail for the web.

There's a writer at one of the national sites who almost never even opens his laptop until the game is completely over. It's a great way to do it if you can, but most of us can't.

 

[jr/shotglass]

Some of that, too, might have to do with how quickly you know you can form your gamer after the final pitch/gun/buzzer. Plus, of course, length.

 

[Double Down]

So let me try to play the friendly referee here. The reason I wanted to name these series of posts "What makes this piece good?" instead of "What makes this piece great?" is because I'm not putting them forth as examples of the perfect gamer, or topical feature, or column, or feature. At least for now, I'm specifically trying to pick pieces:

1. Written by people who I'm not friends or colleagues with (hopefully eliminating some of the stuff that bogged down previous threads).
2. That serve as examples of work a writer might be able to learn something from quickly and easily.
3. That contain realistic examples of the kind of writing/reporting a journalist, still learning his/her way, might be able to emulate.

Are game stories easier to write when you have more time? Sure, most of the time. And we'll get to ones where the degree of difficulty is much higher. In fact, I posted one earlier in this thread, written by Joe Strauss, on what was likely a hellacious deadline. But bringing up, say, Gammons story from 1975 and saying "Well, that one seems like it was way better and way harder, because she probably had a few hours to write..." seems to me to miss the point. Maybe we'll get to Gammons and Reilly at the Masters in 86 and Jenkins on Oklahoma/Nebraska in these discussions, but I guess right now I'm not sure how any of them are relevant to this piece. I think it's important, and inspirational, to read pieces considered some of the best pieces of all time, but I'm not sure how helpful it is trying to apply that stuff to your own work. Let's start with the foundation, build toward the heavens from there. Honestly, I would love to message Selena and say "Would you mind talking about how you approached this game story, and your beat, and how long you had to write it, etc." but that's not going to happen.

As to YankeeFan's point, I'm going to address it this way: I wish someone had said those things to me when I was 24 and reading this site and dreaming of bigger things.

I'm being entirely sincere. Because, in the prison of my own mind, I made excuses about access, about space, about opportunity, about time. It took me a long time to get over it, to realize I'd never get what I wanted, or do things I was proud of, if I didn't risk more of myself and find ways to get around the obstacles in front of me.

Those obstacles are real, and I'm not dismissing them, but what you realize eventually is, while luck plays a role for a tiny few, for the most part, people who are really good in this profession (any most professions, really) create their own opportunities.

• An editor keeps killing all your lines like "stripes on a candy cane?" Go to the editor a talk about how you can reach a compromise about when you can try certain similes. (Probably not on a deadline night gamer. But features maybe?)
  
• You can't get enough space to write a piece like Buster wrote about Rivera? Try to write it anyway, exactly the length you think it deserves, then it show it to an editor you think might be receptive to the idea, and ask if there is any chance you can run the full version on-line.
  
• Can't get the kind of access that Sally Jenkins got with Kwame Brown because you don't work for the Washington Post? Keep trying to cultivate relationships with other athletes, agents, coaches, GMs. Eventually, someone will give you a window into their world, and that's when you use that access to write a great piece. Use that piece as an example the next time you're trying to convince an athlete to open up. "Here is what I wrote about XXXXX. As you can see, I didn't burn him or try to make him look bad. How would you feel if I did the same kind of thing with you?"
  
• Frustrated that you can't take the kind of approach that Bianchi took with Earnhardt's funeral because your editor wants it as a straight news story? Write the piece the editor wants, then write the piece you want, ask if the publication can run yours as a follow the next day. Or maybe there is another section of the paper, or a regional magazine, that would be interested in your different approach.

Times have changed, and yes, journalism is way different, and some of the things we talk about here probably won't apply to you if you're starting out and shooting video and firing off tweets and already weary of making $19,500 a year in Havre, Montana. But, all things being equal, good work is the result of hard work.

 

[Songbird]

Oh, well then, you missed the point ...

Uh-huh, sure. I didn't say Gammons' gamer was better because because because.

But getting back to what you think your point is, she spun a gamer around the last play. A few creative descriptions (candy cane, etc etc). A few logistical possibilities (job-saving shot, etc etc). Creamy quote or two.