Yates not guilty

Does it even matter to you that five lives were lost for no reason? I wish you had as much sympathy for Noah, John, Paul, Luke and Mary as you do for Andrea.

 

In-FUCKING-credible.

THIS is a thread that putz Idaho should lock up.

 

Look, why don't you run off and read something about the legal system instead of going on about something that you apparently know nothing about.

People are categorically NOT always responsible for their actions and this poor woman is about as an obvious case as you can get.

Insanity as a legal defense goes back to the mid 1800's in England and has evolved since then.

The most recent of its various interpretations are about as strict and narrow as you can get.

 

To me, you are responsible for what you do.

There is NO other way to judge people.


I had tried so hard to not look at this thread ... to see this rampant apologism.

will get my blood pressure back to normal by leaving it.

My arguments with BYH are somewhat lighthearted.

This shit is as serious as a heart attack to me.

I'll let you learned people continue disregarding the lives of Noah, John, Paul, Luke and Mary.

Later.

 

It doesn't bother any of you liberals that she had the presence of mind TO CHASE ONE KID [NOAH] DOWN LIKE SHE WAS A DEFENSIVE BACK? THAT DOESN'T SHOW HER MIND WAS OPERATING ON SOME LEVEL?

How about the fact that she waited until her husband had gone to work? If those two things don't show this was premeditated and calculated on some level, I don't know what does.

 

Of course it matters to me. What happened was horrific. I'm not arguing that. But what happened to Andrea Yates was a crime too. She needed help and the children paid for it.

 

First off, this is not a political issue.  Why do you assume that you know my political views based on this issue?

Second, her mind was operating.  But it was operating in a different reality.  She knew people would stop her but, in her mind, they would be stopping her because they didn't understand that she was saving her children.  She believed that she was doing the only thing in her power to save them.  She believed this so strongly that she didn't even try to cover up her crime.  This is not like Susan Smith who cold bloodedly murdered her kids because they were getting in the way and tried to cover up her crime by blaming it on a 'black carjacker'. 

There is a difference.  I'm not an 'apologist'.  She did a horrific thing and, as she gets healthier, she knows it. But punishing people for being ill doesn't feel like any kind of justice to me.

 

there should be a new verdict:

GUILTY, BY REASON OF INSANITY.

jail or hospitalization for life. the insanity should spare yates the death penalty. but she should never again walk free on this earth.

i understand mental illness just fine, thank you. but i draw the line on my understanding and liberalism when it comes to children being murdered.

 

C'mon, Tap.
The concept of mens rea goes back into English common-law, and back to the days where they were far more creative in terms of dispatching people they thought deserved it. This is considered to be civilized.

 

What he said.

 

Your responses and opinions are straight out of The Liberal Handbook. If you aren't one, I apologize for presuming. But I'd also be shocked.

Letting people who murder children walk doesn't feel like justice to me, either, so we're obviously at a standoff here.

FWIW, my Mom is a Democrat who raised three children as a stay-at-home mom, and she'd like to see Yates locked up with the key thrown away.

And, honestly, I don't trust that this woman ever will be 'healthy.' Maybe we should let her open her own babysitting service, how about that?

 

Liberal! Liberal! Liberal!

Please, do a little better on serious topics, OK?
As has been pointed out to you several times, the concept of law under which Yates now goes to the hospital -- and let's have a big hand for the original prosecutors who managed to screw up the slammiest of slam-dunk cases! -- has nothing to do with the left-right kabuki by which we talk about politics. It has to do with a concept of criminal responsibility that has evolved in Western jurisprudence over several centuries. Nobody's apologizing for anyone by saying that.