Yates not guilty

Well, JR, I'll give you credit for sticking with saying the same old thing over and over and over again.

Yes, by now we're all aware that insanity as an excuse has been around since 1800. And we're also well aware that you can insult people. Got anything else to bring to the table?

 

The history of the insanity defense arose here because the "liberal 60s permissiveness" argument was raised. We're just pointing out that the theory if law under which Yates is now hospitalized is one that has been evolving through the years. That's all. And, if you don't think historical context is relevant as opposed to emotional drumbeating, then I'm sorry for you.

 

I would say that, politically and judicially, the conservatives are the "strict liability" side, and the other side revels in making excuses for the accused and/or convicted.

 

And as we know, history is bunk.

 

Nation of Islam Minister Won't Be Charged



LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The West Coast leader of the Nation of Islam will not be charged with battery for a scuffle with police officers last year, the city attorney announced.

Police Chief William J. Bratton had requested that Minister Tony Muhammad and two of his security guards be charged with misdemeanor battery after the three men tangled with police officers during a vigil for a shooting victim on Aug. 25.

"I have concluded that there is insufficient evidence to file charges against Minister Muhammad in this matter," City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo said in a statement released Friday.

The case had sparked tension between police and black community leaders. Attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr., who successfully defended Michael Jackson against child molestation charges, had said he would defend Muhammad for free if he was charged.

   

 
According to the police department, a "very belligerent and uncooperative" Muhammad disobeyed police orders and took part in a mob assault on officers.

A transcript of the incident released by police showed that when an officer asked Muhammad to "back up," he twice responded, "Make me."

Muhammad, the western regional director of the National of Islam, has contended that an officer kicked him in the face after he was handcuffed on the ground.

"I'm happy my reputation is intact," said Muhammad, who is suing the LAPD over the incident for excessive use of force. "I know I didn't do anything wrong. It's a shame it took so long for what we knew was so obvious."

 

You are what your actions say you are, huh? That's a nice, easy little position to take. I guess that means that my 88-year-old great-grandmother was an arsonist, since she, while suffering from severe alzheimer's, set her couch on fire because she thought it was the fireplace. I guess the autistic kid who my sister-in-law teaches should be locked up for attempted murder since he tried to stab her with a pencil.

Stop being a self-righteous moron about this. Here is a woman who was, prior to this day, a pretty decent wife and mother. She wasn't cheating on her husband. She didn't hate her children. She wasn't looking for a way out. In fact, pretty much everyone involved in this agrees that she seriously thought, in her sick mind, that killing the kids was actually helping them.

How this spells out anything other than mentally insane to anyone is beyond me. And stating that you'd be happy to see this woman locked up for life and receive no help makes you far worse than her.

 

What about Gacy, Bundy and Rader?

Where does this wonderful broad stroke of yours end.

They were mentally defective just like the others.

No one goes to jail for the crimes under the circumstances you describe.

Tracking down five little children and holding them under water? That has to get you the goodbye ticket. Every time.

If it was a man who had done it, I bet you have a different take.

 

I, of course mean "harshest under the law." But that wouldn't support your need to wail and moan about how poorly the system has treated this five-time murderer. And cry about what meanypants we are for thinking the punishment does not come close to fitting the crime.

I don't play the "intelligence" card; I don't need to. Maybe you do, and that is your affair. But I will express my amusement at the fact you feel worse for this woman than for her helpless victims.  

 

He's going to spring the BTK killer soon. He killed a few kids. Gotta be close to being rehabilitated.

Manson's been tugging at his soul, too.

And Richard Ramirez? He's personally representing that one.

 

Gacy, Bundy and Rader were psychopaths.  Andrea Yates suffered from severe postpartum depression that developed into full blown psychosis, especially after being taken off meds.  They are entirely different. 

Psychopaths don't care that what they are doing is wrong.  People who are psychotic don't know. 

Psychopathy is not treatable.  You can't teach someone to have a conscience.  Depression and psychosis are treatable.

 

Any murderer who isn't an emotional wreck is a psychopath. Convenient.

And... who cares if they're treatable or not.

They both got a bad deck of cards between the ears.

And you talk about treatability.

There are so many instances where one has been "treated" and then hurt someone else.

 

There's an "intelligence" card?

Does that mean there's a "mouth-breather" card as well?

Because if there is, you should just played it.

And please, if you can find anywhere where I said I feel worse for the woman than her victims, please quote it to me.