Your Hall of Fame Vote, Post-Mitchell

I'd vote for Barry Bonds. You don't need an asterisk. Everyone who sees his name will remember.

 

As a die-hard baseball fan, it really is depressing that the two greatest players of my generation were both cheaters. It honestly bothers me a lot.

 

Depends on which Hall you're talking about.

If the allegations about Clemens are accurate, he's not a Hall of Famer in my book.

 

I think Clemens and Bonds will still get in.

I don't think Palmeiro or McGwire will.

If I had a vote, I honestly don't know what I'd do.

 

Bonds is a fucking asshole. A Lousy human and I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire. But he belongs in the Hall of Fame.
But it doesn't look like many of the pitchers that served him up all those strikes were juiced.

Put them if if they deserve to go in based on their accomplishments. McGwire, Sosa, Raffy, Clemens and Bonds. 1st ballot everyone.

 

cas-ty, cas-ty, cas-ty, cas-ty...

 

That's the one that smacked me in the ass too.

 

Can Dale Murphy get some love now? Please?

 

Every discussion about Pete Rose always instantly devolves into an argument about "They let Barry Bonds take steroids and nobody cares, therefore Pete Rose should be in the HOF!!!!!!!!11"

How about this. You know who Pete Rose was living with for a couple years in Cincinnati while he was playing and managing the Reds??

Tommy Gioisia, a bodybuilding freak who was later convicted and went to jail for trafficking in illegal steroids. Living in the same house, partying together, rubbing elbows every day.

One of the major effects of steroids is to help aging (or washed-up, over-the-hill if you prefer) athletes recover more quickly from muscle exertion and trauma. If you're a 44-year-old has-been who hasn't been playing well enough to be in a major-league lineup for the last 6-8 years, but you are still chasing the All-Time Hit Record so you can call yourself the "Hit King," don't you think that might be something you'd be interested in??

Of course, Rose would deny it. Rose denies everything.

In addition to gambling -- to which he has now confessed in every conceivable definition except for actually throwing games (Stay Tuned, fans!! ) what reason is there to believe that Pete Rose was not also a user of illegal steroids?

Because he SAYS he didn't do it?? GMAFB.

Because we must "presume him innocent?"

Therefore, it is utterly idiotic to argue that "Pete Rose should be in the HOF because nobody cares about the steroid users," since there's a perfectly good basis to believe that Pete Rose was on steroids, too.

BTW, Pete Rose Jr. was arrested last year. Know what for? Trafficking in steroids.

 

Uhhhhhhhhh

 

Roger Clemens thru 1996 (age 34 season): 192-111, 3.05 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 2590 Ks/2776 IP (8.40 K/9)
Roger Clemens since 1997 (35-45): 162-73, 3.21 ERA, 1.19 WHIP 2074 Ks/2124 2/3 IP (8.79 K/9)

Edit: Sorry, the following is more relevant:

Clemens ('93-'96): 40-39, 3.77 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, 717 Ks/745 IP (8.66 Ks/9)
Clemens since 1997: 162-73, 3.21 ERA, 1.19 WHIP 2074 Ks/2124 2/3 IP (8.79 K/9)