Ed Werder doesn't like women helping women

[Azrael]

 

[Songbird]

*In my own personal experience* - which was not in a major market - there was long a desire and effort to get women and people of color into jobs. Often, there were just...no bites.

I was pretty successful in getting women and people of color into jobs.

 

[Azrael]

Mr. Werder should be encouraging students and applicants of every kind.

In fact, as lucky as he's been, at his age he should be leveraging that success on behalf of women and minority hires.

When people call to offer Ed Werder work he does not not want, instead of just saying thank you no, he should supply that employer with a list of recommendations for women and minority alternatives.

 

[Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!!]

You guys have been following the news with Kellen Winslow, right? Am I on the right planet?

THAT quote was referring to Winslow Jr.?
No wonder I don't follow her.

 

[Double Down]

He's claiming butthurt on behalf of young male sportswriters that he teaches. Which I don't personally buy.

Here is what he ought to tell them if he's so very sad their maleness might hurt them in the hiring process: If you are really good and want it more than anyone out there, someone will hire you. If that means you have to work twice as hard as a female classmate, congrats, you now understand what it's been like to break into the biz for women for 50 years.

Once you get a big job, you either sink or swim on your ability. You vagina or penis won't save you.

BTW, getting hired at SI to be a senior writer is not like it was 15 years ago, and that's ok. The business changes.

Also, guess how many female senior writers SI had before they made Jenny Vrentas one a few years ago (and only when they created MMQB, which was supposedly separate from SI)?

Zero.

 

[playthrough]

Here is what he ought to tell them if he's so very sad their maleness might hurt them in the hiring process: If you are really good and want it more than anyone out there, someone will hire you. If that means you have to work twice as hard as a female classmate, congrats, you now understand what it's been like to break into the biz for women for 50 years.

Once you get a big job, you either sink or swim on your ability. You vagina or penis won't save you.

BTW, getting hired at SI to be a senior writer is not like it was 15 years ago, and that's ok. The business changes.

Also, guess how many female senior writers SI had before they made Jenny Vrentas one a few years ago (and only when they created MMQB, which was supposedly separate from SI)?

Zero.

But sometimes you don't sink or swim on your ability, as he well knows. If I had a class of 20 aspiring sportswriters, of any gender, I'd tell them that only five of you will be in this business in 10 years. If that. What else interests you? What's your backup plan?

And tell them about how what you think is a cute comeback on Twitter can turn into a huge crapstorm that will never fully vanish.

 

[CD Boogie]

I think Werder woke up on the wrong side of Twitter this morning. He comes off as a guy still bitter about his job status. Can't say I blame him. But, that doesn't make him right.
At least Wilder ended things after a few tweets.

Probably bc she still has a job to lose. I like her stuff and used to follow her on Twitter when I was on it. Apparently Ed Werder follows her, too, which is part of what makes his stupid comments somewhat ironic.

 

[CD Boogie]

Mr. Werder should be encouraging students and applicants of every kind.

In fact, as lucky as he's been, at his age he should be leveraging that success on behalf of women and minority hires.

When people call to offer Ed Werder work he does not not want, instead of just saying thank you no, he should supply that employer with a list of recommendations for women and minority alternatives.

That's rather paternalistic. He got lucky in his job and now that he got shirtcanned, he should be trying to find jobs for women and minorities? That's not a human nature I've ever encountered.

 

[Double Down]

But sometimes you don't sink or swim on your ability, as he well knows. If I had a class of 20 aspiring sportswriters, of any gender, I'd tell them that only five of you will be in this business in 10 years. If that. What else interests you? What's your backup plan?

And tell them about how what you think is a cute comeback on Twitter can turn into a huge crapstorm that will never fully vanish.

If we're talking about an entry level job at Sports Illustrated, once you have it, you're either going to sink or swim based on your ability. They're not going to keep someone around for more than a year or two if they're a man, or a woman, who cannot write and report. The idea that men never get the opportunity for those jobs is nonsense. Look at the masthead! I could tick off their last 10 hires and at least half would be white men. Some have worked out great (Greg Bishop; Ben Reiter; Michale Rosenberg). Others less so (Thayer Evans.). Some of them moved on to other places (Pete Thamel). No one is denying white dudes the opportunity to work at SI. Ed Werder is nuts if he thinks so. And once they get there, some do great and some don't. Same with their female hires, except I'd argue that they've been MORE willing to let men skip the "staff writer" level where some of their talented women are (Vrentas for a long time; Stephanie Apstein; Joan Niesen) and go straight to senior writer.

If we're talking about a general class of journalism students, I agree. Maybe three in a class of 20 will be doing it in 10 years, depending on the school. (I'd argue it's still a very good education). But we're literally talking about getting in the door at one of the coveted outlets in the history of our profession. That is what Werder is referencing, pretending men are disadvantaged by Charlotte trying to extend the ladder down and potentially explain to other female writers how they might grab it.

 

[Double Down]

This right here, tagging Barstool because you're getting dunked on by another woman, is one of the single most pathetic moves I've ever seen in the history of Twitter.

 

[Azrael]

he should be trying to find jobs for women and minorities?

Yes.

 

[CD Boogie]

Yes.

And Carl Lewis should be trying to get white guys to do track...