2008 sj.com college football poll -- (1/9) Final Poll, Page 118

2muchcoffeeman · Dec 1, 2008

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buckweaver said:

Precious Roy said:

Just a quick question, how many people are ranking Alabama No. 1 because they think they are the best team in the country and could beat anyone on the field and how many are voting them No. 1 because they are undefeated in the SEC?
Please, just a show of hands.

By they way, they are No. 5 in my poll I think OU, Texas, Florida and the boys from Troy could beat them.
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I'll admit I'm in the latter. They're undefeated in the best -- or, at worst, second-best this year -- conference in the country. What more can you ask of them? They won't drop for me until they lose.

Besides, I'm not a big fan of "style points." Just because Oklahoma or Florida can put up 40-60 points on everybody doesn't make them the best team. If you're that dominant, why aren't you undefeated like Alabama? Gotta punish the six teams behind 'em for losing.

Fortunately, this will get played out on the field. If Florida's better, show it. If the other BCS finalist is better, show it. Alabama's the only team that's shown it so far.
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This all sounds very familiar for some reason ... oh, yeah.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=270080194

Hank_Scorpio · Dec 1, 2008

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Wait, I see Central Michigan got one vote in our poll.

After losing to 2-10 Eastern Michigan, which put 50-some points on them.

Precious Roy · Dec 1, 2008

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2muchcoffeeman said:

Precious Roy said:

Just a quick question, how many people are ranking Alabama No. 1 because they think they are the best team in the country and could beat anyone on the field and how many are voting them No. 1 because they are undefeated in the SEC?
Please, just a show of hands.
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It's the latter, of course. For some reason, people think you have to vote for an undefeated SEC team even if you think that team is not as good as several others.

It should be simple: Vote for who you believe is the best team in the country at the moment of voting, period. No games. No bullshit. Just give an honest assessment, no ifs, ands or buts.
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I agree totally, but I think that people don't do this for some reason, which for the life of me I can't understand.

buckweaver · Dec 1, 2008

Re: 2008 SportsJournalists.com college football poll -- Week 14 (12/1) Page 106

Precious Roy said:

2muchcoffeeman said:

Precious Roy said:

Just a quick question, how many people are ranking Alabama No. 1 because they think they are the best team in the country and could beat anyone on the field and how many are voting them No. 1 because they are undefeated in the SEC?
Please, just a show of hands.
Click to expand...

It's the latter, of course. For some reason, people think you have to vote for an undefeated SEC team even if you think that team is not as good as several others.

It should be simple: Vote for who you believe is the best team in the country at the moment of voting, period. No games. No bullshit. Just give an honest assessment, no ifs, ands or buts.
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I agree totally, but I think that people don't do this for some reason, which for the life of me I can't understand.
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Well, for one, because it's an impossible, almost always hypothetical standard to base your vote on, at least in my opinion.

I vote based on 1) record, 2) strength of schedule, 3) good/bad losses, 4) good/bad wins, 5) perceived dominance/hypothetical matchups (since everyone doesn't play everyone else, so you can't base everything on what happened on the field.)

Seriously, what more can Alabama do to get your No. 1 vote? They've won every game they've played. No other major-conference team can say the same.

Barsuk · Dec 1, 2008

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If we're going to base our No. 1 team on hypotheticals, why not just determine the best team in the preseason and forgo these silly games? Alabama has the strongest case thus far. Florida can change that Saturday.

Precious Roy · Dec 1, 2008

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buckweaver said:

Precious Roy said:

2muchcoffeeman said:

Precious Roy said:

Just a quick question, how many people are ranking Alabama No. 1 because they think they are the best team in the country and could beat anyone on the field and how many are voting them No. 1 because they are undefeated in the SEC?
Please, just a show of hands.
Click to expand...

It's the latter, of course. For some reason, people think you have to vote for an undefeated SEC team even if you think that team is not as good as several others.

It should be simple: Vote for who you believe is the best team in the country at the moment of voting, period. No games. No bullshit. Just give an honest assessment, no ifs, ands or buts.
Click to expand...

I agree totally, but I think that people don't do this for some reason, which for the life of me I can't understand.
Click to expand...

Well, for one, because it's an impossible, almost always hypothetical standard to base your vote on, at least in my opinion.

I vote based on 1) record, 2) strength of schedule, 3) good/bad losses, 4) good/bad wins, 5) perceived dominance/hypothetical matchups (since everyone doesn't play everyone else, so you can't base everything on what happened on the field.)

Seriously, what more can Alabama do to get your No. 1 vote? They've won every game they've played. No other major-conference team can say the same.
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They can play a tough team and beat them, which they can do on Saturday. If they beat Florida and Oklahoma doesn't dominate Mizzou, then Alabama may be my No. 1 next week.
As it stands, Oklahoma is the most impressive team I have watched all year.

Angola! · Dec 1, 2008

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It's not like Alabama has been beating San Jose State, Nevada and Louisiana Tech.

Even if the SEC is down this season, it is still an accomplishment to be undefeated in a major conference.

Precious Roy · Dec 1, 2008

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buckweaver said:

They've played tough teams, and beaten everybody they've played, Roy.

The schedules are made years in advance. What more do you want from them?
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Then the same could be said of Oklahoma, but some of the OU-Texas whining I have heard is that Oklahoma played Washington and the Huskies suck.

As for Alabama, I just don't think they are world beaters, they had to take LSU to overtime to win, and the Tigers are not the team to beat in the SEC this year. They beat Georgia, which at the time looked like an awesome win, now it just looks like it was a win they should have had.
I mean, what other team in the top 25 right now have the Tide beat?

NONE!!! The teams they have beat have either always been phony or have since proven to be phony (see also Clemson).
The sad thing is, with the Georgia win the Tide's best win is against Ole Miss at home, 24-20. The same Ole Miss team that people are ragging on Florida for losing to.

I think the whole system sucks, but at least in the SEC there is some semblance of a playoff.... This year at least.

2muchcoffeeman · Dec 1, 2008

Re: 2008 SportsJournalists.com college football poll -- Week 14 (12/1) Page 106

buckweaver said:

Precious Roy said:

2muchcoffeeman said:

Precious Roy said:

Just a quick question, how many people are ranking Alabama No. 1 because they think they are the best team in the country and could beat anyone on the field and how many are voting them No. 1 because they are undefeated in the SEC?
Please, just a show of hands.
Click to expand...

It's the latter, of course. For some reason, people think you have to vote for an undefeated SEC team even if you think that team is not as good as several others.

It should be simple: Vote for who you believe is the best team in the country at the moment of voting, period. No games. No bullshit. Just give an honest assessment, no ifs, ands or buts.
Click to expand...

I agree totally, but I think that people don't do this for some reason, which for the life of me I can't understand.
Click to expand...

Well, for one, because it's an impossible, almost always hypothetical standard to base your vote on, at least in my opinion.

I vote based on 1) record, 2) strength of schedule, 3) good/bad losses, 4) good/bad wins, 5) perceived dominance/hypothetical matchups (since everyone doesn't play everyone else, so you can't base everything on what happened on the field.)

Seriously, what more can Alabama do to get your No. 1 vote? They've won every game they've played. No other major-conference team can say the same.
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Convincingly beat somebody who doesn't suck. Hell, if they could even convincingly beat somebody in the Next 25 I might be impressed.

2muchcoffeeman · Dec 1, 2008

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Angola! said:

It's not like Alabama has been beating San Jose State, Nevada and Louisiana Tech.
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Sagarin rates Alabama's strength of schedule rating 73rd, just below Utah. Very impressive.

slappy4428 · Dec 1, 2008

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I will sat this; 2MCM has the ballsiest ballot here... voted his conviction...
And you cant put Bama in the mix and not consider Utah, for the reasons metioned in the story,,

Angola! · Dec 1, 2008

Re: 2008 SportsJournalists.com college football poll -- Week 14 (12/1) Page 106

slappy4428 said:

I will sat this; 2MCM has the ballsiest ballot here... voted his conviction...
And you cant put Bama in the mix and not consider Utah, for the reasons metioned in the story,,
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What if I believe Alabama is better than Utah?

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