2009 NASCAR running thread

imjustagirl · Feb 16, 2009

podunk press said:

And, finally, you've got to feel for Elliott Sadler. The rains just didn't come quite soon enough.
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Was just talking about this with a friend. If Sadler's leading when the rain comes, guarandamntee it they wait longer than 16 minutes to call that race off.

Bubbler · Feb 16, 2009

Double J said:

Vickers was a lap down, just like Earnhardt, and he had the right idea in blocking Earnhardt. In the event of a crash coming out of a caution, Vickers would get back on the lead lap as the "lucky dog." Of course, that hinged on him not being in the crash coming out of the caution.

For Earnhardt to think Vickers should have just let him pass by so that he could be the first car a lap down is smug self-entitlement at its worst. And of course, Dale Jr. Nation is going to go right to the wall with its fucking hero. No surprise there.

Having had some time to reflect on my earlier comment about not feeling bad for Kyle Busch, he does make an excellent point. He had a solid car that dominated the race and it sucks that the jousting among two lapped cars cost him a chance at victory. But, here's where NASCAR must step up and take some blame. They took away the old practice of racing back to the start-finish when a yellow flag came out, the practice that actually encouraged lapped drivers to try to race their way back onto the lead lap - imagine that, trying to race your way back into contention. The mind boggles.

Anyway, they stick these lapped guys at the front of the inside row on restarts where they try to take advantage of crashes, which are as often as not caused by these same guys. But heaven forbid NASCAR has a consistent response to the unnecessarily aggressive behaviour that sometimes sparks crashes. "Jason Leffler, your ass is parked for five laps. Free Pass Earnhardt? Well, shuck'ns! We can't get mad at you! Not only did you not do anything wrong, your indignance at Brian Vickers was justified and will be supported to the nth degree. You can do whatever you want on the race track, just like your dear, departed daddy always could, and we will always do anything and everything we can to make sure you are always in contention! You rock!"

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Maybe this will get NASCAR to reconsider the Lucky Dog -- the dumbest rule in sports by miles over football's horse collar tackle.

Then again ... it's NASCAR, so maybe not.

93Devil · Feb 16, 2009

pseudo said:

MN Matt said:

Vickers is spot on about no penalty on Dale, despite Jason Leffler getting 5 laps for the same thing yesterday
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Per ESPN, Robin Pemberton explained that Earnhardt's move, unlike the one Saturday, was not "intentional."

All righty then.
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I don't know a lot about racing, but if that was unintentional, then I have to surmise that Jr. cannot drive.

Freelance Hack · Feb 16, 2009

I don't necessarily think the free pass (or whatever it's called) is a bad rule. Racing to the line on a yellow could be just as bad. I just think NASCAR needs to sanction drivers for being stupid, and stupid is what Junior was last night.

playthrough · Feb 16, 2009

Lucky dog rule isn't going anywhere. Its roots were in safety but now it's sanctioned silliness. Bigger problem, as someone said, is those double-file restarts. NASCAR knows full well that they stink, having announced last week that single-file restarts will be used for the final 20 laps of a race instead of 10.

2muchcoffeeman · Feb 16, 2009

Got no problem with double-file restarts, but it's long past time to put lapped cars behind the lead-lap cars.

Earnhardt should have tapped the brake pedal briefly once Vickers forced him onto the apron before trying to merge back into traffic. Not like he had anybody with him who was going to spin him out.

Agree with the others about Junior needing a new crew chief. Junior and Alan Gustafson would have made a good team.

Bubbler · Feb 16, 2009

Freelance Hack said:

I don't necessarily think the free pass (or whatever it's called) is a bad rule. Racing to the line on a yellow could be just as bad. I just think NASCAR needs to sanction drivers for being stupid, and stupid is what Junior was last night.
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How 'bout freezing the field when the yellow comes out? There's nothing in racing that says anyone has to get a lap back. If you're a lap down, you're a lap down, tough shit.

I mean, I saw Jeff Gordon get something like five Lucky Dogs in one race at Indy a few years ago and he finished in contention on the lead lap. Completely asinine.

Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!! · Feb 16, 2009

2muchcoffeeman said:

Got no problem with double-file restarts, but it's long past time to put lapped cars behind the lead-lap cars.

Earnhardt should have tapped the brake pedal briefly once Vickers forced him onto the apron before trying to merge back into traffic. Not like he had anybody with him who was going to spin him out.

Agree with the others about Junior needing a new crew chief. Junior and Alan Gustafson would have made a good team.
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Not speaking to this race, cause Jr. screwed this one up all by himself, but I hoped when he landed at Hendrick it would be without his crew chief.

Bubbler said:

Freelance Hack said:

I don't necessarily think the free pass (or whatever it's called) is a bad rule. Racing to the line on a yellow could be just as bad. I just think NASCAR needs to sanction drivers for being stupid, and stupid is what Junior was last night.
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How 'bout freezing the field when the yellow comes out? There's nothing in racing that says anyone has to get a lap back. If you're a lap down, you're a lap down, tough shit.

I mean, I saw Jeff Gordon get something like five Lucky Dogs in one race at Indy a few years ago and he finished in contention on the lead lap. Completely asinine.
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Gordon came from three laps down one year to win at Martinsville.

imjustagirl · Feb 16, 2009

Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!! said:

Gordon came from three laps down one year to win at Martinsville.
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Three laps at Martinsville is a whole different world from even three laps at Indy.

expendable · Feb 16, 2009

imjustagirl said:

Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!! said:

Gordon came from three laps down one year to win at Martinsville.
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Three laps at Martinsville is a whole different world from even three laps at Indy.
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I believe he earned at least one of those laps back the old fashioned way, by passing and staying in front of the leader.

imjustagirl · Feb 16, 2009

Exactly. You can make up laps on a short track (it's hard, but it can be done). You're not going to make up many laps the real way at Indy.

playthrough · Feb 16, 2009

2muchcoffeeman said:

Got no problem with double-file restarts, but it's long past time to put lapped cars behind the lead-lap cars.

Earnhardt should have tapped the brake pedal briefly once Vickers forced him onto the apron before trying to merge back into traffic. Not like he had anybody with him who was going to spin him out.

Agree with the others about Junior needing a new crew chief. Junior and Alan Gustafson would have made a good team.
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The accident is getting all the attention, but that whole team should get roasted for missing their pit stall. Junior's explanation about all the teams' signs all being pink and looking the same was beyond awful.

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