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2010-2011 NHL season

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Beef03, Sep 13, 2010.

  1. derwood

    derwood Active Member

    Are fighting majors up this year?
     
  2. JR

    JR Well-Known Member

    Double J, if you ever find out the secret to NHL justice, you'll have a best-seller on your hands
     
  3. derwood

    derwood Active Member

    Versteeg to Flyers. Toronto gets 1st round pick.
     
  4. Smasher_Sloan

    Smasher_Sloan Active Member

    Like you would recognize it.
     
  5. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    Back on topic here. Lemieux is the last person to be talking about anything right now. His team leads the league in every dubious category this year, including fighting. They're what, second in game misconducts? And he hasn't said shit about what a piece of shit Matt Cooke is. Lemieux can stuff a sock in it. Then Penguins are suddenly becoming whining little victims. And I say that absolutely agreeing that what the Islanders did was shitty and ridiculous.
     
  6. JR

    JR Well-Known Member

    And a third round.
    From what I've read, both late in the rounds.
    Maybe Burke can get another goalie. :)
     
  7. Oz

    Oz Well-Known Member

    Actually, he's the appropriate person to be talking about this right now. Go back and read his comments. Lemieux didn't talk because of the fight itself, he spoke because of the punishment, or lack thereof, handed out. Cooke knocks out Savard. Bruins retaliate with Thornton fighting Cooke. End of story. That's how you handle it on the ice.

    Not in this case, though. The Islanders went above and beyond that. Haley fought three Penguins (Adams, Talbot, Johnson). Martin sucker-punched Talbot. Gillies left his skates to elbow Tangradi in the head, continued to hit him after he fell to the ice, then taunted Tangradi, who had concussion-like symptoms -- no wonder he looked defenseless to fight back. And Godard gets the biggest suspension because he left the bench to defend his goalie against a guy who had already fought two of his teammates and seen other teammates get assaulted? Sorry, but Cooke, the penalty minutes, the game misconducts -- those don't figure into the argument here, not with what happened Friday night.

    Those guys who took the suspensions, they followed orders. And the money only affects Wang, who may or may not have been on board with this, but if it attracts Johnstown Chiefs-like attention and sells ticket, it will hurt less. It's telling in the bravado the Islanders have shown with the suspensions -- GM Garth Snow praised his team for showing "restraint" when "no one left the bench to create a bench-clearing brawl scenario" and added he was "very proud with the way the team competed." Snow also complained about how one-sided the fines were. "I was a little surprised that it was just our club that got fined."

    Does that sound like someone who's been discouraged from replicating Friday night's debacle? It doesn't to me. It tells me the punishment wasn't severe enough to really make a statement to the Islanders and the rest of the league about how to conduct themselves in a professional manner.
     
  8. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    No one is defending the Islanders. I'm just saying the Penguins are the wrong team to be whining. There's not exactly 18 saints skating in black and gold every night.
     
  9. Oz

    Oz Well-Known Member

    Fine. Tell me the right team to be whining.

    Can Colorado complain? I mean, Bertuzzi nearly killed the Avs' Steve Moore, but then Claude Lemieux rearranged Draper's face. I guess Colorado loses the right to whine.

    Can Boston complain? I mean, Savard might have his career ended by Cooke and that's on top of the Ulf-Neely incident, but then there is Marty McSorley. I guess Boston loses the right to whine.

    The Canucks can't whine because they cut paychecks to Bertuzzi and Cooke.

    The Stars and Rangers can't whine because they cut paychecks to Sean Avery.

    The Flyers can't whine because, well, they're the Flyers.

    Anyone who employed Dale Hunter, including the Caps, can't whine.

    I mean, tell me which team can whine and let's see if they care to comment. Mario didn't whine about the Steckel hit, he didn't whine about the Hedman hit that sent Crosby out of the lineup for what might be at least two months. He "whined" about a game that saw these numbers ...

    10 -- Ejections
    15 -- Fighting majors
    20 -- Misconducts
    65 -- Total penalties
    346 -- Penalty minutes

    ... after the Islanders called up henchmen to specifically thug it up for that one game. If they had a problem with Talbot and Johnson, have their enforcer drop the gloves and they can settle it one-on-one. The Bruins had an issue with Cooke, so they had Thornton fight Cooke, who took a beating. Settled. The Penguins have had issues with Carcillo, so they had guys fight him. Settled.

    But to say Lemieux loses the right to complain about the punishment when the guy who got the longest suspension is someone who hopped off the bench to protect his goalie, who's being challenged to a fight by a position player who already fought two other guys, doesn't seem right. Especially when Cooke -- who everyone loves to mention -- didn't even play that night. What we learned is that the NHL will suspend a heat-of-the-moment hockey play (Cooke), albeit a dirty one, the same four games as a premeditated sucker-punch that instigates a melee and gives the league a black eye. That doesn't seem right.
     
  10. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    Wow, you doth protest a bit. Moving goal posts back that many decades? Impressive.

    Should the punishment have been stronger, and extend to the front office of NYI? Sure. No argument there. But when the owner of the dirtiest team in the league is complaining because another team was dirtier than his that night, wellllllllll....

    I'd be more impressed if he acknowledged his own blemishes too, or wasn't merely complaining because his team was on the other side of a mockery of the game instead.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AsrrX9ccKeLVscd2j56gAZB7vLYF?slug=nc-lemieux021311
     
  11. Smasher_Sloan

    Smasher_Sloan Active Member

    Lemieux undermined his point when he said he doesn't know if he wants to be part of the league. If he had said, "This is something we as owners have to take a hard look at," it could have meant something. Instead, he was petulant.

    His words carry less weight because he's refused to get involved in any league matters. If this really mattered to him beyond his self-interest, he would have been active before an incident that affected his team.

    When the Marc Savard incident was so blatant that the NHL rewrote the rules, did he have anything to say? As the owner of the franchise and a former star player, is there any evidence he's spoken to Matt Cooke about using better judgment?
     
  12. derwood

    derwood Active Member

    Leafs acquire Voros.
     
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