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2011-12 Hot Stove Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by bigpern23, Oct 31, 2011.

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  1. Uncle.Ruckus

    Uncle.Ruckus Guest

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    It's always been Beane's MO to sell high on a guy, especially pitchers.
     
    Uncle.Ruckus, Dec 22, 2011
    #745
  2. Steak Snabler

    Steak Snabler Well-Known Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    The same reason they gave up Cahill (and so many guys before) --- try to get quantity for quality, then bide their time as a 100-loss club until MLB bails them out by letting them relocate.
     
    Steak Snabler, Dec 22, 2011
    #746
  3. Gehrig

    Gehrig Active Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    Report: Prince Fielder signs with the Mariners.
     
    Gehrig, Dec 22, 2011
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  4. Uncle.Ruckus

    Uncle.Ruckus Guest

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    I'm not saying you're wrong, but the "report" is a Logan Morrison tweet. So the dozens of Mariners fans out there probably shouldn't start sucking each others' dicks just yet.
     
    Uncle.Ruckus, Dec 22, 2011
    #748
  5. Gehrig

    Gehrig Active Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    Yeah, my bad. I should have read the source beforehand. Sorry, guys. Jumped the gun.
     
    Gehrig, Dec 22, 2011
    #749
  6. Steak Snabler

    Steak Snabler Well-Known Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    http://twitter.com/#/GregJohnsMLB/status/149981453319544832

    Johns is MLB.com Mariners beat writer ...
     
    Steak Snabler, Dec 22, 2011
    #750
  7. Uncle.Ruckus

    Uncle.Ruckus Guest

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    Keith Law, whose opinion I very much respect, says the Nats way overpaid for Gonzalez.

    (Insider access required)

    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/law_keith/id/7380907/oakland-athletics-get-quality-quantity-gio-gonzalez
     
    Uncle.Ruckus, Dec 22, 2011
    #751
  8. Steak Snabler

    Steak Snabler Well-Known Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    I like Law, too, but he almost always errs on the prospect side (which you'd expect, given his scouting background). You've got to give up something to get something, and I'd rather have the guy with a track record of MLB success (who is under team control for four more years) over a couple of lottery tickets.
     
    Steak Snabler, Dec 22, 2011
    #752
  9. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    He may be right - but you can't make that claim until there's a major-league track record. Gonzalez has one. I figured the Nats would have to give up a Desmond, Espinosa, Clippard, someone like that. They did not.

    It's like the haul the Braves gave for Teix a few years back - except they control GG for four years and not two months.

    Quality doesn't come cheap.
     
    Moderator1, Dec 22, 2011
    #753
  10. Steak Snabler

    Steak Snabler Well-Known Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    Great minds think alike I guess. Except Tex was under Braves control for a year and two months. They panicked and traded him to the Angels at the following year's deadline, receiving the immortal Casey Kotchmann and some minor-league lefty who has yet to reach the big leagues three full seasons later.
     
    Steak Snabler, Dec 22, 2011
    #754
  11. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    My bad - but the point remains. Texas did all right in that deal, that's for sure.

    Hey, these prospects may all be great but that's why you stockpile them - so you can deal from strength and get a Gonzalez. If the Nats rotation holds up, there aren't going to be many spots open for a few years.
     
    Moderator1, Dec 22, 2011
    #755
  12. Uncle.Ruckus

    Uncle.Ruckus Guest

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    Law's argument is Gio Gonzalez at least partially was a product of a pitcher's park and strong defense behind him. He has good stuff, but shitty control, so his ERA should have been much higher.

    The Nats play in a semi-neutral/slight hitter's park. How is their defense?
     
    Uncle.Ruckus, Dec 22, 2011
    #756
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