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2011-12 Hot Stove Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by bigpern23, Oct 31, 2011.

  1. Elliotte Friedman

    Elliotte Friedman Moderator Staff Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    If you're the owner of the Detroit Tigers, there is only one way of determining whether or not this deal is a failure: Does he win me a championship while I'm still alive to see it?

    We can debate it all we want, but to Mike Ilitch -- this is all that matters.
     
  2. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    Mike Ilitch was also very old a few months ago, when a vastly superior first baseman went for not that much more money.
     
  3. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    Pujols was signed before Victor Martinez went down for the year.
     
  4. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    Lidge to the Nats on a 1-year deal.

    Clippard, H-Rod, Lidge, Storen.

    I like it.
     
  5. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    So? If the owner is so old that money doesn't matter, why not have Pujols and Martinez on the same roster?
     
  6. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    Are you just being intentionally dense on this one?
     
  7. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    Rick, in the matter of "overpaid," is there going to be some way the Tigers will be penalized for this down the road, some player they won't get in the meantime? This isn't the NFL or NBA where he is taking up a defined amount of cap space.
     
  8. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    Yes. There is always an opportunity cost. There is a finite amount of money to be spent, no matter how old the owner is.

    For $23 million, you can do better than Prince Fielder for improving your roster. If they had $23 million to spend, they should have spent it earlier in the offseason on a much better collection of talent than Prince Fielder.
     
  9. Elliotte Friedman

    Elliotte Friedman Moderator Staff Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    Rick,

    Gotta agree with oop on this one. If you don't see how the Martinez injury changes things, you're being dense.
     
  10. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    Ilitch is going to have a difficult time burning through his $1.7 billion, so I'm not sure how much of a concern this should be to Tigers fans.
     
  11. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread

    And you are both wrong.

    If you had $23 million or whatever extra sitting around, then you should have spent it earlier in the offseason.

    Victor Martinez, while a nice player, is not good enough that it should send your team into full-on, bend-over-for-Boras panic mode when he gets hurt.
     
  12. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Re: 2011 Hot Stove Thread


    So again I ask: If Illitch doesn't care about burning through his $1.7 billion, then there were several upgrades available this offseason that would have improved the team a lot more than Prince Fielder.

    Why not Pujols at 1st, Martinez (pre-injury) at DH and Cabrera at 3b, like they are talking about?

    Why not improve the rotation? It's not terrible after Verlander, but it's not great either. Darvish and Wilson would have been nice and shiny. Or at least Darvish and Oswalt or Buehrle.

    Why not go after Jose Reyes, who would be a huge upgrade in the middle of their infield?

    If money is no object, why did they wait until they got an injury to Martinez to open up the checkbook? Because by waiting, all they did was panic and overpay for the last remaining worthwhile piece on the market.


    This "the owner is a billionaire, so who cares" argument doesn't absolve the Tigers. If true, then it just means they fucked up the offseason in a different way.
     
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