2011 Pro Wrestling Thread

Shame about Sin Cara blowing out his knee. I think he could be a big star (even if he can't speak English well) if they'd get behind him.

 

Yeah ... it's tough to get behind someone who messes up so often though.

 

He doesn't seem to know how to engage American audiences. While Rey Mysterio speaks English, it's not his promos that get fans behind him. Of course, Mysterio had the advantage of working in ECW and WCW for a few years before moving to WWE. Sin Cara went straight from CMLL to WWE with very little adjustment period. It takes longtime American workers a hell of a time to adjust to WWE style, so I'm not sure how a luchador with no American wrestling experience or ability to speak English is expected to step in and immediately be one of the top faces for the top wrestling organization in the world.

 

I agree. They put a lot of pressure on him to be a big star when he wasn't ready for it. Is he a huge star in Mexico? Heck, yeah. But that doesn't mean he's going to be able to walk right in and be a huge star in the WWE. It just means that he needs time to adapt to the American style, perhaps even spend some time in FCW.

 

I didn't realize the Sin Cara injury was legit - I thought it was a work from how they handled it on the show. You never like to see a guy get hurt, but geez, it's not surprising that he was given how much he botched, and he won't exactly be missed.

 

I think a lot of his botches came from pressure, both internal and external. If you watched him in Mexico, he didn't mess up nearly as much. However, his style and the WWE's style are two different animals. He was struggling to adapt because WWE doesn't have many guys who are used to working the lucha style, so they didn't have many people who could help him along.

 

Mysterio also was able to build an audience with WCW, and, I'd say, a good amount of the audience knew who he was when he first arrived in WWE, although they tried to pretend he was a brand-new guy. Cara changed his name and his look, and only the smartest fans know who he is.

Plus, in WCW, there was no real "style" that a wrestler had to work with. They could use whatever style they were used to. And in the 90s, you still had a lot of wrestlers who came up in the territories and had a vast amount of international experience, who could work a match in multiple styles. Mysterio had Eddy, Chavo, Malenko, Jericho, Jerry Lynn (briefly), the double-murderer, plus the other luchas.

In WWE, Cara really only had Chavo, Bryan and Kidd among guys who could adjust to his style. And I think it's no coincidence that none of them were originally trained in the WWE style. I'd think that Jericho and Michaels would have been able to have good matches with him as well. Everyone else has basically been trained in the WWE style, and can't adjust to a guy who is more free-wheeling.

 

Speaking of Y2J, whatever happened to him coming back again?

 

Who the hell knows? He said recently he was never coming back, which probably means he'll be in imminently. Jericho likes to troll his fans. I'd be shocked if he didn't come back at some point, but he's smart enough not to enter a shaky situation. He won't come back to be a mid-carder.

 

Saw in an interview last week where he said he's still not against coming back, but it has to be "the right situation." In that same interview he said he's booked up with other projects (his band, some movies and TV stuff) through the spring, and won't be available during Wrestlemania season.
He's said over and over again that he wants to do something fresh with his character, not come back to hit the same beats. Which would be nice since, even though I love the guy's work, the whole Y2J concept is older than some of the people in the arena. There's plenty of others who probably don't even know what the hell it's referencing.

 

I think he got away from that with his uber-heel personality, which is how I think most conventional fans remember him now. He strikes me as having an HBK-like end career run in him; he took great care of himself and seldom got hurt, and he took a couple breaks here and there.

I'm not really sure how he would come back though. He's not needed with The Rock around, and CM Punk has taken his obvious role as the guy who can be a tweener and smark favorite. When he came back most recently, the WWE desperately needed him, which was evidenced by the fact that he immediately began feuding with Randy Orton, the champion at the time.

 

This better not be the fucking Undertaker...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HxGkXIphAHw