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2012 Grammy Awards

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by 21, Feb 12, 2012.

  1. hondo

    hondo Well-Known Member

    Does that mean Jeremy Lin likes Carrie Underwood and Brad Paisley.
     
  2. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I strenuously disagree. I think a lot of kids - and girls in particular - will listen to pop music regardless of genre, maybe now more than ever with iTunes, Spotify, etc., as compared to one-source MTV back in our day. I think personal taste tends to crystallize more later on in life.
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I do understand your point, but I think you are: (1) Painting with a pretty broad brush; (2) Underestimating the physical, not to mention psychological, pull of drugs and alcohol. That goes for all of us, but in particular someone caught up in that world.
     
  4. Bubbler

    Bubbler Well-Known Member

    You're applying a very narrow standard of religion here, Hondo.

    If you're speaking in generalities, who's to say that God cares about profanity and simulated sex? There's a view that God created our sexuality/means of expression and that they're to be exercised without shame instead of applying traditional religious oppression.

    Now, if Madonna were doing something specific to a religion itself, like getting the Body of Christ at a Catholic mass and saying, "a-fucking-men", that would be disrespectful to that specific religion.

    But in a general religious sense? I'm not sure your argument can be made. There's a lot of people who have their own vision of spirituality.
     
  5. hondo

    hondo Well-Known Member

    I don't think you understand the point. They can do all the booze and crack they want. They also can perform songs with F-bombs, gyrate stark naked on stage, simulate sex, get into bar fights, pass out in cars, whatever the hell. Again, I don't care. But if you engage in all that, then stand up there on a stage on national TV and invoke God in some manner, you're a total hypocrite.
     
  6. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    I thoroughly appreciate hondo's general perspective. But I'll say this: LL Cool J's prayer last night seemed pretty genuine. I thought he set it up well, kept it short, and actually prayed for Houston's survivors, which is the appropriate prayer.

    I suspect a number of musicians - more than actors - are Christians.
     
  7. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Madonna is a lapsed Catholic. I don't what part, if any, of that faith she'd still ascribe to now. In 1992? Probably a lot more. There was still a tension to Madonna's music then. I thought the book, the movie and several albums were wrestling with what she saw as hypocrisy in the world's order. She resolved that tension by moving to England and disengaging with her faith entirely, it would seem.
     
  8. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    "Bit" more?
    (Nirvana was a much bigger seller than Pearl Jam or anyone else of the genre.)

    And, as I noted, Nirvana created grunge in the public's mind, but not the critics' or the astute rock observers'.
     
  9. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    I think I'm seeing hondo's point here, and it's a chicken/egg thing.

    If you're pious, and live a clean life, you can come across as pious.

    If you're pious, and then snort coke off Nicki Minaj's belly, don't come back to us as pious.
     
  10. ifilus

    ifilus Well-Known Member

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  11. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    I meant with her Catholic faith. I should have capitalized the F, sorry.

    My understanding of Kabbalah tends to escape me. I've tried delving into it a few times with no great avail.
     
  12. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Buzzfeed rounds up all the "who the fuck is Paul McCartney?" tweets that went out last night.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/who-is-paul-mccartney
     
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