2012 MLB Regular Season Running Thread

outofplace · Jun 20, 2012

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

Armchair_QB said:

Albert Pujols is cleaner than Ryan Braun.

So is Lance Armstrong.
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You keep saying that, but you don't know it. Besides, how do you define cleaner? They either used or they did not.

Me, I think the entire Cubs roster is cheating. They just suck at it, but I suspect them all. Some of them are too big. Some are too injury prone. Some are not injury prone enough. I'd swear one or two grew a hat size...
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There are degrees. One can do a cycle or 2 or one can be a juicehead. One can experiment with drugs or one can be a junkie.
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Albert Pujols, Ryan Braun and Lance Armstrong have all denied using juicing. If any of them did use, even once, there is no reason to believe them if they were to later change their story to say it was only once or twice.

Like Alex Rodriguez. First he denied it. Then he admitted it, but expected us to believe he only used while he was with the Rangers. Why? Because the pressure after signing that monstrous contract got to him. Because, as we all know, the pressure came right off when he became a Yankee.

They are clean or they are not, and A_QB has no real basis for his claim that Armstrong and Pujols are cleaner than Braun. There are valid points to be made against Braun, but that is not one of them.
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MLB has never released a positive test on Pujols. They have on Braun. He won an appeal of his suspension on a vote. They didn't retest his piss and say it was clean.
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You'd think if they were so sure, they would have tested Braun again. Of course, they know they would look even worse if he came up clean.

You're missing the point. Just because there is no positive test out there, even one tainted by a mishandled sample, does not mean Pujols and Armstrong are clean. We just don't know, so insisting that they are somehow cleaner than Braun is ridiculous.

outofplace · Jun 20, 2012

Armchair_QB said:

outofplace said:

Armchair_QB said:

Albert Pujols is cleaner than Ryan Braun.

So is Lance Armstrong.
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You keep saying that, but you don't know it. Besides, how do you define cleaner? They either used or they did not.

Me, I think the entire Cubs roster is cheating. They just suck at it, but I suspect them all. Some of them are too big. Some are too injury prone. Some are not injury prone enough. I'd swear one or two grew a hat size...
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Wouldn't surprise me if they are. There are probably guys all over MLB still cheating.

None of which changes the fact that Ryan Braun IS a drug cheat.
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That breeze you felt was my point sailing right over your head.

Armchair_QB · Jun 20, 2012

outofplace said:

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

Armchair_QB said:

Albert Pujols is cleaner than Ryan Braun.

So is Lance Armstrong.
Click to expand...

You keep saying that, but you don't know it. Besides, how do you define cleaner? They either used or they did not.

Me, I think the entire Cubs roster is cheating. They just suck at it, but I suspect them all. Some of them are too big. Some are too injury prone. Some are not injury prone enough. I'd swear one or two grew a hat size...
Click to expand...

There are degrees. One can do a cycle or 2 or one can be a juicehead. One can experiment with drugs or one can be a junkie.
Click to expand...

Albert Pujols, Ryan Braun and Lance Armstrong have all denied using juicing. If any of them did use, even once, there is no reason to believe them if they were to later change their story to say it was only once or twice.

Like Alex Rodriguez. First he denied it. Then he admitted it, but expected us to believe he only used while he was with the Rangers. Why? Because the pressure after signing that monstrous contract got to him. Because, as we all know, the pressure came right off when he became a Yankee.

They are clean or they are not, and A_QB has no real basis for his claim that Armstrong and Pujols are cleaner than Braun. There are valid points to be made against Braun, but that is not one of them.
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MLB has never released a positive test on Pujols. They have on Braun. He won an appeal of his suspension on a vote. They didn't retest his piss and say it was clean.
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You'd think if they were so sure, they would have tested Braun again. Of course, they know they would look even worse if he came up clean.

You're missing the point. Just because there is no positive test out there, even one tainted by a mishandled sample, does not mean Pujols and Armstrong are clean. We just don't know, so insisting that they are somehow cleaner than Braun is ridiculous.
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So you think Pujols is dirty too? Glad we finally agree.

Guy_Incognito · Jun 20, 2012

Isn't there another thread you guys can take this pissing match to?

Armchair_QB · Jun 20, 2012

I'll stop.

Sorry. Sometimes I like kicking beehives.

Herbert Anchovy · Jun 20, 2012

Please, anything but the Washington Nationals.

cjericho · Jun 20, 2012

outofplace said:

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

Armchair_QB said:

Albert Pujols is cleaner than Ryan Braun.

So is Lance Armstrong.
Click to expand...

You keep saying that, but you don't know it. Besides, how do you define cleaner? They either used or they did not.

Me, I think the entire Cubs roster is cheating. They just suck at it, but I suspect them all. Some of them are too big. Some are too injury prone. Some are not injury prone enough. I'd swear one or two grew a hat size...
Click to expand...

There are degrees. One can do a cycle or 2 or one can be a juicehead. One can experiment with drugs or one can be a junkie.
Click to expand...

Albert Pujols, Ryan Braun and Lance Armstrong have all denied using juicing. If any of them did use, even once, there is no reason to believe them if they were to later change their story to say it was only once or twice.

Like Alex Rodriguez. First he denied it. Then he admitted it, but expected us to believe he only used while he was with the Rangers. Why? Because the pressure after signing that monstrous contract got to him. Because, as we all know, the pressure came right off when he became a Yankee.

They are clean or they are not, and A_QB has no real basis for his claim that Armstrong and Pujols are cleaner than Braun. There are valid points to be made against Braun, but that is not one of them.
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MLB has never released a positive test on Pujols. They have on Braun. He won an appeal of his suspension on a vote. They didn't retest his piss and say it was clean.
Click to expand...

You'd think if they were so sure, they would have tested Braun again. Of course, they know they would look even worse if he came up clean.

You're missing the point. Just because there is no positive test out there, even one tainted by a mishandled sample, does not mean Pujols and Armstrong are clean. We just don't know, so insisting that they are somehow cleaner than Braun is ridiculous.
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No I wouldn't think they'd have tested Braun again. Stuff leaves your system. Unless he's a fuckin moron like Manny Ramirez I wouldn't think he'd fail again. You can say that you never saw Braun actually use or actually take the piss and see the piss analyzed so you don't really know. But the point is he produced a positive test.

outofplace · Jun 20, 2012

Armchair_QB said:

outofplace said:

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

Armchair_QB said:

Albert Pujols is cleaner than Ryan Braun.

So is Lance Armstrong.
Click to expand...

You keep saying that, but you don't know it. Besides, how do you define cleaner? They either used or they did not.

Me, I think the entire Cubs roster is cheating. They just suck at it, but I suspect them all. Some of them are too big. Some are too injury prone. Some are not injury prone enough. I'd swear one or two grew a hat size...
Click to expand...

There are degrees. One can do a cycle or 2 or one can be a juicehead. One can experiment with drugs or one can be a junkie.
Click to expand...

Albert Pujols, Ryan Braun and Lance Armstrong have all denied using juicing. If any of them did use, even once, there is no reason to believe them if they were to later change their story to say it was only once or twice.

Like Alex Rodriguez. First he denied it. Then he admitted it, but expected us to believe he only used while he was with the Rangers. Why? Because the pressure after signing that monstrous contract got to him. Because, as we all know, the pressure came right off when he became a Yankee.

They are clean or they are not, and A_QB has no real basis for his claim that Armstrong and Pujols are cleaner than Braun. There are valid points to be made against Braun, but that is not one of them.
Click to expand...

MLB has never released a positive test on Pujols. They have on Braun. He won an appeal of his suspension on a vote. They didn't retest his piss and say it was clean.
Click to expand...

You'd think if they were so sure, they would have tested Braun again. Of course, they know they would look even worse if he came up clean.

You're missing the point. Just because there is no positive test out there, even one tainted by a mishandled sample, does not mean Pujols and Armstrong are clean. We just don't know, so insisting that they are somehow cleaner than Braun is ridiculous.
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So you think Pujols is dirty too? Glad we finally agree.
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Nope. Never said that. Wrong as usual. I said I don't know. Unlike you, I actually think it is important to be able to back it up before accusing somebody of cheating. Your only qualification seems to be that the guy must play for a team you hate.

outofplace · Jun 20, 2012

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

Armchair_QB said:

Albert Pujols is cleaner than Ryan Braun.

So is Lance Armstrong.
Click to expand...

You keep saying that, but you don't know it. Besides, how do you define cleaner? They either used or they did not.

Me, I think the entire Cubs roster is cheating. They just suck at it, but I suspect them all. Some of them are too big. Some are too injury prone. Some are not injury prone enough. I'd swear one or two grew a hat size...
Click to expand...

There are degrees. One can do a cycle or 2 or one can be a juicehead. One can experiment with drugs or one can be a junkie.
Click to expand...

Albert Pujols, Ryan Braun and Lance Armstrong have all denied using juicing. If any of them did use, even once, there is no reason to believe them if they were to later change their story to say it was only once or twice.

Like Alex Rodriguez. First he denied it. Then he admitted it, but expected us to believe he only used while he was with the Rangers. Why? Because the pressure after signing that monstrous contract got to him. Because, as we all know, the pressure came right off when he became a Yankee.

They are clean or they are not, and A_QB has no real basis for his claim that Armstrong and Pujols are cleaner than Braun. There are valid points to be made against Braun, but that is not one of them.
Click to expand...

MLB has never released a positive test on Pujols. They have on Braun. He won an appeal of his suspension on a vote. They didn't retest his piss and say it was clean.
Click to expand...

You'd think if they were so sure, they would have tested Braun again. Of course, they know they would look even worse if he came up clean.

You're missing the point. Just because there is no positive test out there, even one tainted by a mishandled sample, does not mean Pujols and Armstrong are clean. We just don't know, so insisting that they are somehow cleaner than Braun is ridiculous.
Click to expand...

No I wouldn't think they'd have tested Braun again. Stuff leaves your system. Unless he's a fuckin moron like Manny Ramirez I wouldn't think he'd fail again. You can say that you never saw Braun actually use or actually take the piss and see the piss analyzed so you don't really know. But the point is he produced a positive test.
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A tainted sample tested positive.

outofplace · Jun 20, 2012

Armchair_QB said:

I'll stop.

Sorry. Sometimes I like kicking beehives.
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Actually, I kicked the beehive, drawing the very predictable, flawed response.

cjericho · Jun 20, 2012

outofplace said:

Armchair_QB said:

outofplace said:

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

Armchair_QB said:

Albert Pujols is cleaner than Ryan Braun.

So is Lance Armstrong.
Click to expand...

You keep saying that, but you don't know it. Besides, how do you define cleaner? They either used or they did not.

Me, I think the entire Cubs roster is cheating. They just suck at it, but I suspect them all. Some of them are too big. Some are too injury prone. Some are not injury prone enough. I'd swear one or two grew a hat size...
Click to expand...

There are degrees. One can do a cycle or 2 or one can be a juicehead. One can experiment with drugs or one can be a junkie.
Click to expand...

Albert Pujols, Ryan Braun and Lance Armstrong have all denied using juicing. If any of them did use, even once, there is no reason to believe them if they were to later change their story to say it was only once or twice.

Like Alex Rodriguez. First he denied it. Then he admitted it, but expected us to believe he only used while he was with the Rangers. Why? Because the pressure after signing that monstrous contract got to him. Because, as we all know, the pressure came right off when he became a Yankee.

They are clean or they are not, and A_QB has no real basis for his claim that Armstrong and Pujols are cleaner than Braun. There are valid points to be made against Braun, but that is not one of them.
Click to expand...

MLB has never released a positive test on Pujols. They have on Braun. He won an appeal of his suspension on a vote. They didn't retest his piss and say it was clean.
Click to expand...

You'd think if they were so sure, they would have tested Braun again. Of course, they know they would look even worse if he came up clean.

You're missing the point. Just because there is no positive test out there, even one tainted by a mishandled sample, does not mean Pujols and Armstrong are clean. We just don't know, so insisting that they are somehow cleaner than Braun is ridiculous.
Click to expand...

So you think Pujols is dirty too? Glad we finally agree.
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Nope. Never said that. Wrong as usual. I said I don't know. Unlike you, I actually think it is important to be able to back it up before accusing somebody of cheating. Your only qualification seems to be that the guy must play for a team you hate.
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Is a guy ever dirty? If you ever talk to anyone who's used steroids or a doctor they will tell you there are definite physical changes. Jose Reyes won't turn into Jose Canseco but Jose Reyes will be a bigger, stronger Jose Reyes if he uses and properly trains with weights. I'm not saying I can tell by looking but there are definite signs. But now there are tests. If a guy tests positive isn't he dirty? Of course guys will beat tests but what's the point of testing or even having a banned substance lists if we can always say well we don't know for sure.

cjericho · Jun 20, 2012

outofplace said:

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

cjericho said:

outofplace said:

Armchair_QB said:

Albert Pujols is cleaner than Ryan Braun.

So is Lance Armstrong.
Click to expand...

You keep saying that, but you don't know it. Besides, how do you define cleaner? They either used or they did not.

Me, I think the entire Cubs roster is cheating. They just suck at it, but I suspect them all. Some of them are too big. Some are too injury prone. Some are not injury prone enough. I'd swear one or two grew a hat size...
Click to expand...

There are degrees. One can do a cycle or 2 or one can be a juicehead. One can experiment with drugs or one can be a junkie.
Click to expand...

Albert Pujols, Ryan Braun and Lance Armstrong have all denied using juicing. If any of them did use, even once, there is no reason to believe them if they were to later change their story to say it was only once or twice.

Like Alex Rodriguez. First he denied it. Then he admitted it, but expected us to believe he only used while he was with the Rangers. Why? Because the pressure after signing that monstrous contract got to him. Because, as we all know, the pressure came right off when he became a Yankee.

They are clean or they are not, and A_QB has no real basis for his claim that Armstrong and Pujols are cleaner than Braun. There are valid points to be made against Braun, but that is not one of them.
Click to expand...

MLB has never released a positive test on Pujols. They have on Braun. He won an appeal of his suspension on a vote. They didn't retest his piss and say it was clean.
Click to expand...

You'd think if they were so sure, they would have tested Braun again. Of course, they know they would look even worse if he came up clean.

You're missing the point. Just because there is no positive test out there, even one tainted by a mishandled sample, does not mean Pujols and Armstrong are clean. We just don't know, so insisting that they are somehow cleaner than Braun is ridiculous.
Click to expand...

No I wouldn't think they'd have tested Braun again. Stuff leaves your system. Unless he's a fuckin moron like Manny Ramirez I wouldn't think he'd fail again. You can say that you never saw Braun actually use or actually take the piss and see the piss analyzed so you don't really know. But the point is he produced a positive test.
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A tainted sample tested positive.
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Wrong. It was not tainted. Unless you have confidential information that's not been released, the sample wasn't sent out right away. Basically procedure wasn't correctly followed. If that's your definition of tainted then OK.

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