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2012 MLB Regular Season Running Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Gehrig, Mar 28, 2012.

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  1. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    I'm not complaining about a lack of context with WAR. I'm saying it is too subjective and it doesn't do what it claims to do.

    Home runs, RBI, wins, losses and batting average are not subjective. There are better statistics to use in evaluating players without getting into subjective adjustments, such as OPS and ERA.
     
  2. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    VCU! REPRESENT! If you had told me in 2008 I'd be watching Eppley pitch in Yankee Stadium in 2012, I would have emptied my wallet.
     
  3. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    Really? Abala-do-da-day is still in the majors? Damn pitching depth sucks.
     
  4. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    Oh, same. He was a slightly above-average high school pitcher.
     
  5. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    I saw him on TV first, was half paying attention and went, "Damn, sounds like they said Cody Eppley!?" Sure enough. Good for him. I didn't interact with him much but those who did rave about him.
     
  6. KYSportsWriter

    KYSportsWriter Well-Known Member

    I don't know if he's still in the majors. He's only pitched in two innings this season, so maybe they optioned him down.
     
  7. Gehrig

    Gehrig Active Member

    WAR is only supposed to do one thing and one thing only: gauge the value a player has over a replacement player. And it does it as well as it possibly can with the information we have right now. When things have come up, like the shift issue, the creators have quickly changed or altered the metric. Of course or information is limited, which is why WAR is always an estimation. If anybody uses it solely to rank or evaluate a player or to determine a player's skill or "greatness", they are using it incorrectly.

    If you want to say that no metric is better than one that estimates but can't nail down what is really happening, that is fine.
     
  8. Herbert Anchovy

    Herbert Anchovy Active Member

    BABIP takes home runs out of the equation, as well, as they do not land in the field of play.

    Hiroki Kuroda has a .278 BABIP, which is comparable to how he did in the NL West. He has a home run problem in 2012 (although he pitches home games in a joke park). The home run rate is up and the flyball rate is down.
     
  9. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    Also, for hitters, AL teams can give more irresponsible long term contracts knowing that they can hide him as the DH into his 40s. For an NL team to have given Pujols a 10 year contract (even if he's only as old as he says he is) would have been nuts.
     
  10. KYSportsWriter

    KYSportsWriter Well-Known Member

    Can someone explain what BABIP is?
     
  11. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    Batting average for balls put into play.
     
  12. cjericho

    cjericho Well-Known Member

    The sidearm slider Eppley has is sick. The last guy I can remember with that pitch was one of the dudes on Boston in Bases Loaded on Nintendo early 90s.
     
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