2012 MLB Regular Season Running Thread

I don't disagree with you, but it'd be tough to have a conventional baseball thread in 2012 without being able to compare players with all of the tools available: Old stats. Old-fashioned, dirt-under-the-fingernails scouting and observations. And new stats.

I get what you mean: Debates on the validity of sabermetrics should be its own thread. But it seems that any time someone even brings up something like K/9 or even BABIP, which is going to happen in a discussion about baseball players nowadays, collateral to that will be a discussion on the merits of said stats.

Just tough to tease it all out, I guess is what I'm getting at.

 

But I'll never know if Trout's any good or not without it.

 

Sure you will, you live on the West Coast. It's those East Coast guys that don't have a clue.

 

That is not what you said before. You said he was unfit for the role and the only argument you gave was that he put too many runners on base, which is ridiculous if you think Soriano is better at it than Robertson.

Now you want to judge him on the sample size of two save opportunities. Still silly, but at least it makes a little more sense. I agree that Girardi did the right thing sticking with Soriano. He has the track record and he was doing well.

It's funny. Not that long ago we had a poster (I forget who) argue the exact opposite, that Robertson is fine when he puts runners on because he is used to it and because he has the high strikeout rate to pitch through trouble. Amazing the stuff people will come up with.

 

You mean like Moddy with the stuff about Michael Morse and walks? People are going to argue stuff here. That is at least part of the point of a message board.

 

I don't care if it is there. But I'm going to make fun of it and dismiss it based on what I've seen so far and with good reason and you need to get used to that.

 

Oh, I bet we could pull it off.

 

"Scouts can't even all agree on which prospects' skills are where on the 20-80 scale. Sounds like they haven't come up with a scouting scale worth a damn. They are a long way from presenting us with a version of scouting worth a damn."

 

Morse raised his average from like .217 to .280-something in the last five games. It's hard to tell how many slumpbusters he's had recently.

Zimmerman, now. All he needed was a cortizone shot.

Harper might need a slumpbuster soon. He's in Atlanta this weekend, so there's plenty of opportunity.

 

Each uses their own system and often, they get it wrong and a big-time prospect fails. But y'all just keep tossing up those lousy comparisons in a desperate attempt to prop up WAR.