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2012 MLB Regular Season Running Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Gehrig, Mar 28, 2012.

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  1. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    How is it not? I actually read it, and what he is saying, essentially, is that Strasburg should be unleashed because, well, it's possible that his arm could go even if he wasn't limited. This :: "I could get cancer if I don't smoke, too, so I might as well smoke."

    When you're playing the odds, a remote possibility =/= a distinct possibility.
     
  2. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Strasburg's surgery will be two years behind him come September. My understanding was that the second year back, which is where Strasburg is now, is when most pitcher's are all the way back.

    I think the more relevant issue is his age and how few innings he threw last year. It seems like the Cardinals are going to let Adam Wainwright go and his injury and surgery were much more recent. But he has handled a full seaosn's workload many times before.
     
  3. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    That is not all he is saying. He is also pointing to the evidence that debunks the Verducci Effect theory. If he didn't present any other evidence, you might have a point. But he did, so you don't.
     
  4. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Yeah, this is what the argument turns on for me. I have to know more about this.
     
  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Again, the Verducci Effect argument is not coming into play here for me until I know that Strasburg's surgery doesn't alter the equation. This doesn't seem like a typical increased workload case to me, because the injury is at least a factor.
     
  6. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    Nothing against you, Dick, but god, I hate the "put yourself in their shoes" argument.
     
  7. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    We did a story on this last year - we looked at Johnson, Hudson and Carpenter. All had fairly recent TJ and all had very good years in their first full year back. All blew through 160 innings. One of them was close to 240.

    But they were older and had handled that kind of workload previously. As noted above, SS has not.

    It does put the Nats in a tough situation. But they can't risk it - hey we won the Series but we shortened Strasburg's career!! Would that happen? Likely not. If you're in charge, would YOU take that chance?

    It sucks but it does appear to be the right call. And it isn't like they are springing it on the rest of the team and the fans at the last minute. Everyone has known since he returned, since they pulled the plug on Jordan Zimmermann last year after 160 or so, that this is what would happen.
     
  8. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Yeah, can't believe I went there. I'm usually the one gunning it down on the death penalty threads with gusto.
     
  9. Hokie_pokie

    Hokie_pokie Well-Known Member

    Easier to pull the plug on Z as an also-ran than Stras as a first-place squad, I'd imagine.

    And while this is gonna come off way more harshly than I intend, as a Nats fan I'm gonna be pissed if the organization passes up a chance to win the Series now and loses Strasburg to a mega-deal from the usual suspects in 4 or 5 years.
     
  10. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    This is similar to a question that comes up in high school and college a lot, too: What duty does the organization owe to the player for the player's sake, independent from the team's interest? It seems like an ethical question more than anything. And a tough one.
     
  11. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    So it is the fuck it he's going to be gone anyway method of management? We'll screw him up but he'll be someone else's problem?

    Maybe by 2017 DC is one of those destinations? The Nats have shown they are willing to spend. No longer safe to assume they'll lose someone down the road.
     
  12. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    College coaches are guilty of this all the time. This year there was a first-rounder - can't remember which one - whose stock tumbled at least for a few days because he threw like 140-150 pitches in a game.
     
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