2012 MLB Regular Season Running Thread

Tommy_Dreamer · Sep 18, 2012

MileHigh said:

Tommy_Dreamer said:

Elliotte Friedman said:

Dempster can't get out of the fourth in Anaheim, then his replacement (Scheppers) gets hurt at play at the plate on a wild pitch. Two Angels score -- the second as he goes down and can't cover.
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Good thing the A's lost.
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Long way to go for the Angels to F it up.
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Oh I know, just being a pessimistic Rangers fan is all.

qtlaw · Sep 18, 2012

LongTimeListener said:

outofplace said:

LongTimeListener said:

outofplace said:

Tommy_Dreamer said:

Miggy hit his 40th tonight as well, a grand slam. Put up 6 RBI in a big 12-2 win over the A's.

I definitely wouldn't sleep on the Tigers.
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Cabrera could very well win the MVP. He is heating up of late, too, though I think the Tigers have to make the playoffs and have the Angels miss them for him to have a shot.

Speaking of MVP races, Ryan Braun showed off his versatility with a couple of hits, a walk and three stolen bases in Milwaukee's win at Pittsburgh. The Brewers are back in the race now and Braun is easily the biggest reason why.
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Maybe I'm just seeing too much of this as a hometowner, but even in reading national sites I have gotten the feeling that opinion has lined up solidly if not overwhelmingly behind Posey. With the Giants locked into the playoffs, I don't think there's anything that can change it.
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Oh, it's going to be Posey, but at least part of that is because some voters think they have to punish Braun since MLB fucked it up.
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Eh, even without that I don't think it's much of a decision.

Posey: .334/.408/.544 OPS .952
Braun: .312/.387/.602 OPS .989

Posey is playing in an extreme, extreme pitchers' park -- according to B-R the park factor is 86 as opposed to Milwaukee's 103 (100 being average). That helps Posey to a league-high OPS+ of 170 while Braun's is 159. And he's spending most of his time at the most difficult position while Braun is at the easiest.

There are quite a few peripheral stats that argue for him too, such as an OPS over 1.000 when the game is within a run. (Braun is about .900 in that category.)

I am sure some people will factor the steroid case into their thinking. But ultimately I don't think it would matter anyway.
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Nicely done. This. Oh and he blasted Cabrera so that's "intangibles/leadership/Jeter stuff" as well

MileHigh · Sep 18, 2012

Tommy_Dreamer said:

MileHigh said:

Tommy_Dreamer said:

Elliotte Friedman said:

Dempster can't get out of the fourth in Anaheim, then his replacement (Scheppers) gets hurt at play at the plate on a wild pitch. Two Angels score -- the second as he goes down and can't cover.
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Good thing the A's lost.
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Long way to go for the Angels to F it up.
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Oh I know, just being a pessimistic Rangers fan is all.
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The Rangers have won the last two AL flags and have the best record in the league -- and you're pessimistic??!!

outofplace · Sep 18, 2012

LongTimeListener said:

outofplace said:

LongTimeListener said:

outofplace said:

Tommy_Dreamer said:

Miggy hit his 40th tonight as well, a grand slam. Put up 6 RBI in a big 12-2 win over the A's.

I definitely wouldn't sleep on the Tigers.
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Cabrera could very well win the MVP. He is heating up of late, too, though I think the Tigers have to make the playoffs and have the Angels miss them for him to have a shot.

Speaking of MVP races, Ryan Braun showed off his versatility with a couple of hits, a walk and three stolen bases in Milwaukee's win at Pittsburgh. The Brewers are back in the race now and Braun is easily the biggest reason why.
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Maybe I'm just seeing too much of this as a hometowner, but even in reading national sites I have gotten the feeling that opinion has lined up solidly if not overwhelmingly behind Posey. With the Giants locked into the playoffs, I don't think there's anything that can change it.
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Oh, it's going to be Posey, but at least part of that is because some voters think they have to punish Braun since MLB fucked it up.
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Eh, even without that I don't think it's much of a decision.

Posey: .334/.408/.544 OPS .952
Braun: .312/.387/.602 OPS .989

Posey is playing in an extreme, extreme pitchers' park -- according to B-R the park factor is 86 as opposed to Milwaukee's 103 (100 being average). That helps Posey to a league-high OPS+ of 170 while Braun's is 159. And he's spending most of his time at the most difficult position while Braun is at the easiest.

There are quite a few peripheral stats that argue for him too, such as an OPS over 1.000 when the game is within a run. (Braun is about .900 in that category.)

I am sure some people will factor the steroid case into their thinking. But ultimately I don't think it would matter anyway.
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Not quite fair to leave out home runs (40 to 22 edge for Braun) and stolen bases (27 to 1 edge for Braun). Actually, leaving any counting statistics out unfairly skews your comparison for Posey. Posey gets extra credit for being a catcher, as he should, but by the same token Braun is able to be in the lineup more. Posey can't help the Giants in the games he doesn't play.

I'm not going to get into OPS+ and park factor because those statistics use adjustments/estimates. You are welcome to use them and I'm sure many voters do. I'm not a big fan of it because they wander from measuring what guys do to what we think they would do under different circumstances.

I have no problem with it being Posey. I might even agree with that vote once the season is done. That said, I still think one reason he's seen as a foregone conclusion is that Braun is the other top contender and some voters will refuse to consider him at all.

Tommy_Dreamer · Sep 18, 2012

MileHigh said:

Tommy_Dreamer said:

MileHigh said:

Tommy_Dreamer said:

Elliotte Friedman said:

Dempster can't get out of the fourth in Anaheim, then his replacement (Scheppers) gets hurt at play at the plate on a wild pitch. Two Angels score -- the second as he goes down and can't cover.
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Good thing the A's lost.
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Long way to go for the Angels to F it up.
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Oh I know, just being a pessimistic Rangers fan is all.
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The Rangers have won the last two AL flags and have the best record in the league -- and you're pessimistic??!!
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You did see the way they pissed the World Series away last year right?

Can't help it. Playoff baseball/near playoff baseball makes my stomach queasy.

buckweaver · Sep 19, 2012

Huggy said:

How many teams have the Bisons affiliated with? Mets, Cleveland and the White Sox for sure, I think I am missing one too.
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Buffalo_Bisons

Affiliation: Cleveland Indians 1939; Detroit Tigers 1941-1949; Philadelphia A's 1950; Detroit Tigers 1952-1955; Kansas City A's 1957-1958; Philadelphia Phillies 1959-1962; New York Mets 1963-1965; Cincinnati Reds 1966-1967; Washington Senators 1968-1969; Montreal Expos 1970; Pittsburgh Pirates 1979-1982; Cleveland Indians 1983-1984; Chicago White Sox 1985-1986; Cleveland Indians 1987; Pittsburgh Pirates 1988-1994; Cleveland Indians 1995-2008; New York Mets 2009-2012; Toronto Blue Jays 2013-present
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Buffalo did not have a team from mid-1970 through 1978 because ...:

Attendance was also the reason for the departure of the Buffalo Bisons. Averaging just 700 fans at War Memorial Stadium, and having been turned down in its attempt to use a high school facility, the league shut down the Bisons franchise on June 4. Ownership of a provisional franchise was awarded to the Montreal Expos, who placed the team in Winnipeg.
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/1970_International_League_season

buckweaver · Sep 19, 2012

Cosmo said:

Baltimore up 3 on the Angels for the second wild card now with 15 to play. Really happy to see the O's come out and smack Seattle in the mouth last night. That's what you should do when you're facing a 2-11 pitcher and you're in a pennant race and the other team isn't. The Yankees have Toronto at home, so a sweep is probably mandatory if Baltimore wants to keep up.

Tampa and Detroit are close to dead ... five out of the wild card for the Rays; 5 1/2 for the Tigers, 3 out of the division lead with no more games left against the Pale Hose.
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JakeandElwood said:

The AL Central race is hardly over. The White Sox are in good shape, but Detroit's schedule down the stretch is much easier.
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EDIT: Never mind. I'm totally wrong about this. See below.

Knighthawk · Sep 19, 2012

Cabrera's at .363/.441/.713 since August 1. I think he's going to win the MVP, especially if he makes a serious run at the Triple Crown.

ifilus · Sep 19, 2012

TigerVols said:

Pujols is missing tonight's unimportant Rangers game to be in KC with his wife for the birth of their baby -- which happened Sunday.

I hope nothing is wrong with the child, but it's otherwise strange that Pujols would be out of the lineup.

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/actress-nora-von-waldstatten-attends-the-36th-annual-los-news-photo/108075743
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I must have missed something.
Who is Nora Von Waldstratten and what does she have to do with Pujols?

buckweaver · Sep 19, 2012

Knighthawk said:

Cabrera's at .363/.441/.713 since August 1. I think he's going to win the MVP, especially if he makes a serious run at the Triple Crown.
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It's September 18. I think we can safely say he has made a serious run at the Triple Crown, no matter what happens the final two weeks.

That said, Trout is the best player in baseball and it's not even close — and, HE'S 20!

HanSenSE · Sep 19, 2012

MileHigh said:

Tommy_Dreamer said:

Elliotte Friedman said:

Dempster can't get out of the fourth in Anaheim, then his replacement (Scheppers) gets hurt at play at the plate on a wild pitch. Two Angels score -- the second as he goes down and can't cover.
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Good thing the A's lost.
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Long way to go for the Angels to F it up.
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It's the Angels. It's a given it's going to take a long time.

RickStain · Sep 19, 2012

buckweaver said:

Keep in mind the tiebreaker rules in place for division champs this year (and only this year): All ties for a division championship will be played off on October 4, and the loser will automatically be one of the two wild cards in the play-in game, regardless of record.
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Are you absolutely sure about that? Because that is an awesome rule and I can't find it anywhere.

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