2013 College Football Coaching Carousel thread...

He didn't win.

 

He lost two Egg Bowls to...Sylvester Croom.

Coached three first-round NFL draft picks, including Patrick Willis and Michael Oher... and still finished 3-21 in the SEC.

I'd like to think he has improved and recognizes what didn't work. (Don't we all have former jobs where we can be smarter and more efficient years later?).

 

The knock on Cutcliffe at the end was he stopped recruiting worth a damn once Eli got there. Was Orgeron a shit coach at Ole Miss? Yes, but he didn't have much to work with when he got there either.

 

Orgeron recruited some great players at Ole Miss. A lot of them are in the NFL now (Michael Oher, Greg Hardy, Mike Wallace, Dexter McCluster, the Jerry brothers, among others), but he couldn't coach. His teams got progressively worse during his tenure, not better.

 

Does this look like a man looking to hire someone else?



And does this look like a crowd willing to accept anyone not named Ed O as coach next year?

 

I think most opposing Pac-12 programs would be satisfied with Orgeron being USC's coach, if the alternative was Kevin Sumlin or someone of that ilk. He's riding the wave right now, no doubt. His schedule has worked out perfectly (ie Stanford the week after Oregon; Oregon State the week after OSU played Stanford). His past performance as a head coach would indicate that's not sustainable. And 3 of the last 4 programs he coached at (Miami, USC, Tennessee) all had NCAA issues while he was on staff.

 

Well hey, you've convinced me. That worked really, really well for West Virginia following the Fiesta Bowl when they were all drunk and decided their man was Bill Stewart.....

 

Not working out much better for them by hiring Holgormullet sober.

 

All it means is that USC has a better "if all else fails..." option than it did when it was forced to hire Kiffin after they were turned down 5-7 times.

 

Do people think Muschamp survives?

 

I'd say this - beat FSU and he is definitely back. Keep it close and he is almost assuredly back. Lose in grand fashion he is most likely back.

So in other words, can't see him being fired.

 

There are a lot of good coaches out there who are better suited as assistants than head coaches. I don't know what Orgeron's staff was like at Ole Miss or what obstacles he faced that might have led to a poor record. But there are always going to be coaches with losing records.

You know, it's kind of a catch-22 for a lot of schools. I look at Freeze, the current Ole Miss coach. Well, you win and someone richer hires you away, like Auburn did with Tommy Tuberville. You lose and you get dumped in 3-4 years. Seems like no one lasts more than 5-6 years. Which is one reason why Frank Beamer's tenure at Virginia Tech is so impressive. They weren't worth squat when he got there. They slowly improved and he stayed instead of going somewhere else for more money.