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Stoney · Nov 27, 2012

DanOregon said:

Mark Stoops to Kentucky.
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You're a little late to the party.

MileHigh · Nov 27, 2012

Mizzougrad96 said:

Versatile said:

LongTimeListener said:

Versatile said:

Did some research. Jim Harbaugh made $1.1 million in 2010, then was offered $3 million a year to stay. David Shaw's deal was reported to be significantly less than Harbaugh's rejected offer, but no one has reported the amount. His 2011 salary should be available soon through tax returns.

Those numbers are not impressive. I know the Pac-12 doesn't pay coaches the way the SEC, Big 12 and Big Ten do. But Jeff Tedford topped $2 million.
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His salary will never be available, will it? Private university.

Why would Stanford pay a rookie coach $3 million? Now that he is possibly a two-time BCS participant, that number will go higher. But still never to SEC levels because of the university's philosophy.

Your initial point was questioning whether Stanford has the resources. They have the resources, as much as anybody in college football has resources. Whether and how much they want to use them is the question.
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On tax returns for nonprofit organizations, the five highest-paid employees' salaries must be listed. Tax returns are public. The interesting note in one story I found was Harbaugh was the first Stanford coach to be listed, meaning no other coach, including Bill Walsh, was among Stanford University's top five earners.

I agree with your points but think you misinterpreted my earlier post, "Stanford has unlimited resources for football?" The emphasis was on "for football," as in, Stanford has unlimited resources, yes, but they aren't for football.
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The point is, Stanford can pay its football coach whatever it wants. Stanford can afford to pay its football coach $5 million a year. So can Oregon. So can Southern Cal. I'm guessing the other nine schools can't say that. Just because a school can afford to spend that kind of money on a football coach doesn't mean it should...
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I think you're going to start seeing lots of pay raises in the Pac-12. That new-found TV money -- $20 million a year -- is going to start rolling in. Embree was the lowest-paid coach in the BCS ($750,000). The talk from the Flatirons is that they're going to pay up to $2.5 million a year.

It's like the light went on in the president's and chancellor's office -- and I would suspect a phone call or 30 from Larry Scott to get your shit together -- that college football is a big fucking deal and you're either all in or you're all out.

Mizzougrad96 · Nov 27, 2012

LongTimeListener said:

Shaw is the kind of guy that they might be able to keep forever if they make it worth his while. I bet if he gets $3M on a secure long-term deal, knowing it's his alma mater and his kids will be raised in one of the most idyllic and education-forward towns in America, he could have a good thing. Plus there's a benefit of being out here -- yeah you aren't the big dog with six pro teams and two other colleges, but you also don't have to spend 10 minutes at a press conference explaining why you just switched your starting cornerback.

$3M a year for a relatively headache-free existence? There's a lot to be said for that.

Also, Tyrone Willingham lives in the Bay Area and is great friends with Shaw's dad. I'm sure he'd be able to chip in his two cents on what lies outside The Farm.
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There is a lot to be said for that. After what Shaw has done the last two years, a mediocre season or two isn't likely to get him canned. More or less, he has all of the resources that most of the top coaches in the country have and only a small percentage of the pressure or the headache...

Johnny Dangerously · Nov 27, 2012

Armchair_QB said:

Inky_Wretch said:

Oh good grief ...

RT @SPORTSbyBROOKS: Ark is engaged w/ reps of Les Miles & a $5-yr $27.5M offer is on table
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Last SEC coach to switch schools was Tommy Tuberville, right?
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If you mean from one SEC school to another, you've got the right SEC division but the wrong decade. Houston Nutt took the Ole Miss job about four or five days after coaching his last game for Arkansas in 2007.

LongTimeListener · Nov 27, 2012

Has Kirk Herbstreit commented on the Miles-Arkansas deal? I won't believe it until Kirk Herbstreit says it's true.

Mizzougrad96 · Nov 27, 2012

MileHigh said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

Versatile said:

LongTimeListener said:

Versatile said:

Did some research. Jim Harbaugh made $1.1 million in 2010, then was offered $3 million a year to stay. David Shaw's deal was reported to be significantly less than Harbaugh's rejected offer, but no one has reported the amount. His 2011 salary should be available soon through tax returns.

Those numbers are not impressive. I know the Pac-12 doesn't pay coaches the way the SEC, Big 12 and Big Ten do. But Jeff Tedford topped $2 million.
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His salary will never be available, will it? Private university.

Why would Stanford pay a rookie coach $3 million? Now that he is possibly a two-time BCS participant, that number will go higher. But still never to SEC levels because of the university's philosophy.

Your initial point was questioning whether Stanford has the resources. They have the resources, as much as anybody in college football has resources. Whether and how much they want to use them is the question.
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On tax returns for nonprofit organizations, the five highest-paid employees' salaries must be listed. Tax returns are public. The interesting note in one story I found was Harbaugh was the first Stanford coach to be listed, meaning no other coach, including Bill Walsh, was among Stanford University's top five earners.

I agree with your points but think you misinterpreted my earlier post, "Stanford has unlimited resources for football?" The emphasis was on "for football," as in, Stanford has unlimited resources, yes, but they aren't for football.
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The point is, Stanford can pay its football coach whatever it wants. Stanford can afford to pay its football coach $5 million a year. So can Oregon. So can Southern Cal. I'm guessing the other nine schools can't say that. Just because a school can afford to spend that kind of money on a football coach doesn't mean it should...
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I think you're going to start seeing lots of pay raises in the Pac-12. That new-found TV money -- $20 million a year -- is going to start rolling in. Embree was the lowest-paid coach in the BCS ($750,000). The talk from the Flatirons is that they're going to pay up to $2.5 million a year.

It's like the light went on in the president's and chancellor's office -- and I would suspect a phone call or 30 from Larry Scott to get your shit together -- that college football is a big fucking deal and you're either all in or you're all out.
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Really agree with this. Cal getting rid of Tedford is a move that supports this, because they had to pay him a truckload to go away. Even Colorado dumping Embree is a sign that, if we want to compete in this conference we need someone better than this guy... These were both moves, that 3-4 years ago likely wouldn't happen at either school.

Mizzougrad96 · Nov 27, 2012

Johnny Dangerously said:

Armchair_QB said:

Inky_Wretch said:

Oh good grief ...

RT @SPORTSbyBROOKS: Ark is engaged w/ reps of Les Miles & a $5-yr $27.5M offer is on table
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Last SEC coach to switch schools was Tommy Tuberville, right?
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If you mean from one SEC school to another, you've got the right SEC division but the wrong decade. Houston Nutt took the Ole Miss job about four or five days after coaching his last game for Arkansas in 2007.
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Yeah, but didn't Nutt resign or was forced to resign? That's a little different than jumping ship to another SEC school like Tuberville did.

Armchair_QB · Nov 27, 2012

Mizzougrad96 said:

Johnny Dangerously said:

Armchair_QB said:

Inky_Wretch said:

Oh good grief ...

RT @SPORTSbyBROOKS: Ark is engaged w/ reps of Les Miles & a $5-yr $27.5M offer is on table
Click to expand...

Last SEC coach to switch schools was Tommy Tuberville, right?
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If you mean from one SEC school to another, you've got the right SEC division but the wrong decade. Houston Nutt took the Ole Miss job about four or five days after coaching his last game for Arkansas in 2007.
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Yeah, but didn't Nutt resign or was forced to resign? That's a little different than jumping ship to another SEC school like Tuberville did.
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Actually, I forgot about Nutt or I would have mentioned him, not Tuberville.

Mizzou is right though. Tubbs left Ole Miss for Auburn. Nutt didn't land the Ole Miss job until he was fired/resigned at Arkansas.

Mizzougrad96 · Nov 27, 2012

OK, here's a question for the board... You're an AD. You have $3 million a year to spend on a head football coach. Who do you hire?

Obviously, that kind of money isn't going to get you Meyer or Saban or Bob Stoops or Les Miles, Jimbo Fisher, Chip Kelly, Muschamp or Brian Kelly... But it probably lets you pick from 80-90 percent of everyone else...

Johnny Dangerously · Nov 27, 2012

Yeah, different situations, but it happened so fast, it seemed like Nutt (with Jimmy Sexton's help) had it lined up in advance. At least that's how it felt.

Mizzougrad96 · Nov 27, 2012

Johnny Dangerously said:

Yeah, different situations, but it happened so fast, it seemed like Nutt (with Jimmy Sexton's help) had it lined up in advance. At least that's how it felt.
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I'm sure he did... But Arkansas to Ole Miss is at best, a lateral move, and I think most people would think it's a (small) step down.

Johnny Dangerously · Nov 27, 2012

Mizzougrad96 said:

Johnny Dangerously said:

Yeah, different situations, but it happened so fast, it seemed like Nutt (with Jimmy Sexton's help) had it lined up in advance. At least that's how it felt.
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I'm sure he did... But Arkansas to Ole Miss is at best, a lateral move, and I think most people would think it's a (small) step down.
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Hence "different situations."

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