2013 College Football coaching carousel

Well, you get a contract where it's in the school's best interest to let you work it out. Embree was disposable in part because he was cheap. If CU owed him Tedford or Chizik money, he'd be getting that third year.

Hawkins got a third year because he went to a bowl game in Year 2.

 

A five-year guarantee? Good luck with that.

 

No coach deserves that. All coaches should be held accountable. It's also not like they don't get paid when they get fired...

 

I seem to remember that Turner Gill had something in his contract where after he was fired, he had to be paid the rest of his contract within 60 days... I think it was a $6 million payday...

 

So the school should get a similar guarantee, right? Where the coach will give the school an iron-clad promise that he will stick with them for the full five years or whatever the contract states, no matter what bigger schools or NFL teams come calling if the coach manages to make a quick turnaround and goes 10-2 and/or wins a couple of BCS bowl games?

Each scenario is a nice theory, but pretty far removed from the real world.

 

Do you think Saban would have gotten a third year if he had gone 4-21 in his first two seasons?

 

I understand the part about wanting to show progress and Embree didn't do that. Still, imagine if Barack Obama had been put in the same dilemma? Clean up the George W Bush mess in two years or you're gone? Some stuff doesn't get fixed overnight.

And, yes, in many cases it is possible to gain short-term success by cutting corners and doing things in certain way that don't necessarily build a program for the long term. But again is 4-8 all that different from 6-6? Maybe a couple of good (or bad) bounces, a couple of injuries, etc.

I suspect in the case of Embree, the administration said (paraphrase) "Man, we're going to suck for a while regardless of who is the coach, so let's get someone young, cheap and expendable. Then when we get a few more miles down the road toward respectability, we can get serious about finding a real head coach." I call it the Dave Campo syndrome (Campo was a long-time NFL assistant and three-year head coach of the Dallas Cowboys in the early 2000s).

Now, as for future guarantees, I think a coach has to go in with their eyes open as to how much work is needed and how long it might take. Anyone who comes in and says "We're going to a bowl game/conference championship next year" is either flat-out lying or terribly naive. Lots of us have been in situations where we weren't given the resources and time to get a job done the way we felt it should be done. No fun there.

As for buyouts..... sure Embree, Gill, Dooley and the others are getting paid. I get that. But how does it affect them long-term? Will they get another coaching shot? (Charlie Weis did). It's not always solely about money.

 

Absolutely! A contract is a contract. I have never once walked out on a contract or even asked for a raise. If I sign for something, I commit to it. And I expect others to do the same.

It's nauseating to see these weasels have one or two successful seasons and then try to leverage it into some sort of deal simply because their name happens to be a hot commodity at that present moment.

 

Embree complaining isn't going to help him get another head coaching job.

 

Only because of the size of the buyout is that even a worthwhile question.

Of course, he's six years in and has 13 losses.

 

No. He's toast and he knows it. Six weeks from now, no one will give a damn what he thinks. Might as well do your whining when the microphones and cameras are on.

 

Jon Embree is not the poster child for coaches who were treated unfairly. Coaches get fired after going to bowl games. If you go 8-5 and get canned, by all means do a tour and talk about how unfairly you were treated.

If you lost to a FCS school and let Fresno beat you by 40+ SHUT THE FUCK UP!