2013 MLB Hall of Fame Screechfest

once again, you don't mind making every thread about you. pathetic. you lead a miserable existence.

 

Actually, YOU made this thread about me, but we've already seen that you have problems with facts.

 

sure dude. go back a page and see who fucking hijacked this fucking thread. go back in post history and see who makes every thread about himself. EAD, asshole.

 

I was posting on topic. You are posting personal attacks. Please learn the difference.

Go ahead and take another shot at me. I'll wait until there is something worthwhile to post on topic before I respond to you again.

(I did send a PM, though, which I'm sure you'll whine about)

 

well, i want joe williams back. but you ran him off with your dumbassary.
btw, do you have a vote? yeah, that's right, you don't ... nobody gives a fuck how you would or wouldn't vote. so kindly shut the fuck up.

 

Hi Tom!
Nobody's running me off. My reactions to certain clowns might cause me to stray or abandon this board at various times, but that's all.
I'll get back "on topic" by putting this in terms OOP can understand (and undoubtedly resume his name-calling over):

-- I'm strongly in favor of keeping guys out of the Hall if they used PEDs, to the point of not voting for them.
-- I'm in favor of waiting for some or all of the 15 years accorded to voters (for context, revelations, etc.) before voting for guys who are the subject of speculation or accusations, whose stats track in a pattern similar to PED users or who don't pass certain sniff or glimpse tests. (Haven't come up to the eligibility deadline at the back end on any of them, that I'm aware of anyway, so haven't sorted out how I'll deal with a Year 15 guy.) I don't consider that "punishment."
-- I don't feel bound by any allegedly dubious HOF members already enshrined by past voters or veterans' committees. That would be like saying a cop shouldn't pull you over today because somebody didn't get busted by some cop years ago.

That's how I roll/vote. Now OOP can go jerk himself raw like a chimpanzee and put the screech back in this "screechfest."

 

Attacking another poster and whining about the tone of the thread in the very same post. Gotta love the lack of self-awareness.

That bit about jerking myself raw, however, sounds painful. I'm not going to judge what you do in your own home, but I think I'll pass on trying that one out myself.

I have no problem with keeping guys out of the Hall of Fame if we know for a fact that they used steroids. I disagree with it, but I understand it.

That's where the problem comes in. You want to keep guys out based on speculation. And making guys wait can actually hurt their chances of ever getting in, too. Somebody who is borderline in the minds of some voters, like Jeff Bagwell, who would probably be helped by having his career fresher in their memories.

The way you are doing things, there are players who belong in the Hall of Fame based on their play, but you want to vote no based on speculation or accusations. Voting no is a punishment. Making a guy wait when he deserves to be in is a punishment. Risking a deserving but borderline player not getting in at all is punishment. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Bottom line is you are punishing players for the crime of being accused of PED use, for having others speculate about them.

Well, guess what. I think it is likely that every single player in MLB over the last 30 years used some form of PED. There. Now they have all been accused. There is speculation about all of them. I guess you can't vote any of them in.

Is that ridiculous? No doubt about it. That's exactly how silly your opinion looks to me.

 

i guess one guy can speculate from home and another can "speculate" from inside a clubhouse.

guess who i'm going to side with?

 

You missed the point. Again.

Either way, it is just speculation. And my understanding was that in cases like Bagwell and Piazza, Joe is basically taking the approach that there is too much smoke to ignore the potential for fire rather than basing it on any special knowledge he has gained in MLB clubhouses over the years.

If we stop questioning people with some knowledge or expertise we don't have, this board is going to get VERY quiet very fast.

 

didn't miss the point, champ.

you were the one who introduced speculation. i'm saying some people speculate less than others. again, you are the one who set the standards for the conversation we're having.

it's also his vote. if he sees something first-hand, why in the fuck shouldn't that matter?

jesus christ. please attempt to keep up.

 

If he saw something, that's one thing. But that's not what he is claiming here. That's you making shit up.

 

And I can tell him he's misusing it if I want. And he is.