2013 MLB Hall of Fame Screechfest

Tom Petty · Dec 11, 2012

outofplace said:

Tom Petty said:

outofplace said:

Tom Petty said:

outofplace said:

Tom Petty said:

outofplace said:

Joe Williams said:

Talked to a friend of mine today who has a vote. His view of the steroids guys (known users or suspected): "We don't have to decide yet on them so I won't." He's OK with waiting for more info or context, or for a disclosure, or a redefinition and acceptance of that era. Assumes there are enough who'll vote for all the biggies to keep them on the ballot for their 15.

He also said this isn't fun anymore. And he feels confident about Maddux and Glavine being clean because "I saw them without their shirts."
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Assuming he wasn't kidding, that last part is EXACTLY why I think the standard before punishing a player should be higher. If you think you can tell just by looking at a guy, you are kidding yourself.

Trends and momentum seem to be part of the process, so when a guy is left off a ballot and doesn't get in, isn't it fair to say that at least on some level hurts his chances going forward?

I have yet to see any point made that counters my argument that if you are going to make the guys who accused wait, you have to make every player from this era wait. A big part of what you are waiting for is to see if they get busted, which means you are assuming certain guys are clean. The only thing that would shock me is if news doesn't break about somebody getting busted that nobody expects some time in the next 10 years.
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then you're devoid of common sense. two words for you: bret boone.
even a buffoon such as yourself should have been able to figure that one out.
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That doesn't even come close to countering my post. That you seem to think it does clearly demonstrates who the true buffoon is.

Now, tell us again how Gaylord Perry never got caught?
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actually it does, but you're never wrong.
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I argued that we are very likely to find out that some guy nobody suspected was using performance enhancers, a reminder why it is so ridiculous to only question those who have been accused. Bret Boone's story does not counter that.

I argued that you can't always tell who is using by looking at them. The fact that some people say you could tell by looking at Boone doesn't counter that.

I argued that anybody who thinks they know everybody who used performance enhancers during the steroid era is kidding himself, which is why the only logical conclusion from the approach you, Dick and Joe are suggesting is to make everybody wait. Bret Boone's story doesn't counter that.

Bret Boone doesn't relate to my theory that being left off ballots can also hurt a player's chances of election to the Hall of Fame in the long run, mostly because Bret Boone really doesn't belong in a discussion of the Hall of Fame.

Given your response when I busted you on Gaylord Perry, I will politely suggest that nobody should ever listen to your advice regarding how to react if they are proven wrong on this site.
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i argued, i argued, i argued.

and you never are wrong.
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In other words, you know I'm right. You know you failed again. You just can't admit it, so you attack me again instead. Sad. Really, just sad.
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i was quoting you, numb nuts.

Tom Petty · Dec 11, 2012

Tom Petty said:

outofplace said:

Tom Petty said:

outofplace said:

Tom Petty said:

outofplace said:

Joe Williams said:

Talked to a friend of mine today who has a vote. His view of the steroids guys (known users or suspected): "We don't have to decide yet on them so I won't." He's OK with waiting for more info or context, or for a disclosure, or a redefinition and acceptance of that era. Assumes there are enough who'll vote for all the biggies to keep them on the ballot for their 15.

He also said this isn't fun anymore. And he feels confident about Maddux and Glavine being clean because "I saw them without their shirts."
Click to expand...

Assuming he wasn't kidding, that last part is EXACTLY why I think the standard before punishing a player should be higher. If you think you can tell just by looking at a guy, you are kidding yourself.

Trends and momentum seem to be part of the process, so when a guy is left off a ballot and doesn't get in, isn't it fair to say that at least on some level hurts his chances going forward?

I have yet to see any point made that counters my argument that if you are going to make the guys who accused wait, you have to make every player from this era wait. A big part of what you are waiting for is to see if they get busted, which means you are assuming certain guys are clean. The only thing that would shock me is if news doesn't break about somebody getting busted that nobody expects some time in the next 10 years.
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then you're devoid of common sense. two words for you: bret boone.
even a buffoon such as yourself should have been able to figure that one out.
Click to expand...

That doesn't even come close to countering my post. That you seem to think it does clearly demonstrates who the true buffoon is.

Now, tell us again how Gaylord Perry never got caught?
Click to expand...

actually it does, but you're never wrong.
Click to expand...

I argued that we are very likely to find out that some guy nobody suspected was using performance enhancers, a reminder why it is so ridiculous to only question those who have been accused. Bret Boone's story does not counter that.

I argued that you can't always tell who is using by looking at them. The fact that some people say you could tell by looking at Boone doesn't counter that.

I argued that anybody who thinks they know everybody who used performance enhancers during the steroid era is kidding himself, which is why the only logical conclusion from the approach you, Dick and Joe are suggesting is to make everybody wait. Bret Boone's story doesn't counter that.

Bret Boone doesn't relate to my theory that being left off ballots can also hurt a player's chances of election to the Hall of Fame in the long run, mostly because Bret Boone really doesn't belong in a discussion of the Hall of Fame.

Given your response when I busted you on Gaylord Perry, I will politely suggest that nobody should ever listen to your advice regarding how to react if they are proven wrong on this site.
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i argued, i argued, i argued.

and you never are wrong.
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so caught up in the fight, you can't even see past the end of your ignorant nose.

outofplace · Dec 11, 2012

Tom Petty said:

outofplace said:

Tom Petty said:

outofplace said:

Tom Petty said:

outofplace said:

Tom Petty said:

outofplace said:

Joe Williams said:

Talked to a friend of mine today who has a vote. His view of the steroids guys (known users or suspected): "We don't have to decide yet on them so I won't." He's OK with waiting for more info or context, or for a disclosure, or a redefinition and acceptance of that era. Assumes there are enough who'll vote for all the biggies to keep them on the ballot for their 15.

He also said this isn't fun anymore. And he feels confident about Maddux and Glavine being clean because "I saw them without their shirts."
Click to expand...

Assuming he wasn't kidding, that last part is EXACTLY why I think the standard before punishing a player should be higher. If you think you can tell just by looking at a guy, you are kidding yourself.

Trends and momentum seem to be part of the process, so when a guy is left off a ballot and doesn't get in, isn't it fair to say that at least on some level hurts his chances going forward?

I have yet to see any point made that counters my argument that if you are going to make the guys who accused wait, you have to make every player from this era wait. A big part of what you are waiting for is to see if they get busted, which means you are assuming certain guys are clean. The only thing that would shock me is if news doesn't break about somebody getting busted that nobody expects some time in the next 10 years.
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then you're devoid of common sense. two words for you: bret boone.
even a buffoon such as yourself should have been able to figure that one out.
Click to expand...

That doesn't even come close to countering my post. That you seem to think it does clearly demonstrates who the true buffoon is.

Now, tell us again how Gaylord Perry never got caught?
Click to expand...

actually it does, but you're never wrong.
Click to expand...

I argued that we are very likely to find out that some guy nobody suspected was using performance enhancers, a reminder why it is so ridiculous to only question those who have been accused. Bret Boone's story does not counter that.

I argued that you can't always tell who is using by looking at them. The fact that some people say you could tell by looking at Boone doesn't counter that.

I argued that anybody who thinks they know everybody who used performance enhancers during the steroid era is kidding himself, which is why the only logical conclusion from the approach you, Dick and Joe are suggesting is to make everybody wait. Bret Boone's story doesn't counter that.

Bret Boone doesn't relate to my theory that being left off ballots can also hurt a player's chances of election to the Hall of Fame in the long run, mostly because Bret Boone really doesn't belong in a discussion of the Hall of Fame.

Given your response when I busted you on Gaylord Perry, I will politely suggest that nobody should ever listen to your advice regarding how to react if they are proven wrong on this site.
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i argued, i argued, i argued.

and you never are wrong.
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In other words, you know I'm right. You know you failed again. You just can't admit it, so you attack me again instead. Sad. Really, just sad.
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i was quoting you, numb nuts.
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You quoted me as part of a sarcastic dig, but you can't even admit that.

outofplace · Dec 11, 2012

buckweaver said:

I never thought OOP could be worse than he is on an economic disparity thread.

But for fuck's sake, this is insufferable. I even agree with his point, and I still want to slam my head through a wall right now.
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Sounds like a personal problem. Also sounds like you are bringing your biases, or you would realize I'm not the one who keeps trying to bring this back to a pissing match.

Glad you agree, though.

Tom Petty · Dec 11, 2012

i admit when i'm wrong. you just keep arguing and arguing and arguing. you're like the energizer bunny on acid.

Tom Petty · Dec 11, 2012

outofplace said:

buckweaver said:

I never thought OOP could be worse than he is on an economic disparity thread.

But for fuck's sake, this is insufferable. I even agree with his point, and I still want to slam my head through a wall right now.
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Sounds like a personal problem. Also sounds like you are bringing your biases, or you would realize I'm not the one who keeps trying to bring this back to a pissing match.

Glad you agree, though.
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case in point.

outofplace · Dec 11, 2012

Tom Petty said:

outofplace said:

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2007/12/23/perry_cuts_to_the_chase/?page=full

Just one of many examples. But yeah, he was still lying years after he retired to mess with hitters heads. Unfuckingbelievable.
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didn't know he was caught, asshole. if i did, do you think i would have wrote that? sure as to fuck know the guy was undressed every time he started as a mariner and they never found a damn thing on him.

and what's your fucking point? are you equating doctoring a baseball to adding 50 pounds of muscle and three hat sizes? is that what you're doing because i'm kind of lost on your rant of the week.
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TP admitting to being wrong. Classy.

Tom Petty · Dec 11, 2012

outofplace said:

Tom Petty said:

outofplace said:

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2007/12/23/perry_cuts_to_the_chase/?page=full

Just one of many examples. But yeah, he was still lying years after he retired to mess with hitters heads. Unfuckingbelievable.
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didn't know he was caught, asshole. if i did, do you think i would have wrote that? sure as to fuck know the guy was undressed every time he started as a mariner and they never found a damn thing on him.

and what's your fucking point? are you equating doctoring a baseball to adding 50 pounds of muscle and three hat sizes? is that what you're doing because i'm kind of lost on your rant of the week.
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TP admitting to being wrong. Classy.
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Tom Petty said:

nope. my bad. post removed, and i hope you'll accept my apology.
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http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/threads/92841/

Tom Petty · Dec 11, 2012

but yet you argue and argue and argue and argue and argue beyond the point even when you're wrong.

keep alienating everybody who comes across your broad path of stupidity, energizer bunny on acid.

Tom Petty · Dec 15, 2014

cause every thread that interests you is about who? ... that's right: YOU!

Della9250 · Dec 11, 2012

A ballot tracker in the eary stages (total ballot number is around 50) has this as the following percentages:

73.3% for Bonds, Clemens and Piazza
66.6% for Bagwell and Morris
40.0% for Biggio

outofplace · Dec 11, 2012

Tom Petty said:

outofplace said:

Tom Petty said:

outofplace said:

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2007/12/23/perry_cuts_to_the_chase/?page=full

Just one of many examples. But yeah, he was still lying years after he retired to mess with hitters heads. Unfuckingbelievable.
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didn't know he was caught, asshole. if i did, do you think i would have wrote that? sure as to fuck know the guy was undressed every time he started as a mariner and they never found a damn thing on him.

and what's your fucking point? are you equating doctoring a baseball to adding 50 pounds of muscle and three hat sizes? is that what you're doing because i'm kind of lost on your rant of the week.
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TP admitting to being wrong. Classy.
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Tom Petty said:

nope. my bad. post removed, and i hope you'll accept my apology.
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http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/threads/92841/
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Great. That still doesn't change the piss-poor way you handled it here, or the way you have constantly dragged this thread back into personal attacks on me, while at the same time whining about it focusing too much on me. On THIS thread, you have shown a stunning lack of class and you have acted like a hypocrite.

At some point, maybe it will get through to even you that you are doing exactly the things you accuse me of.

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