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2013 MLB Hall of Fame Screechfest

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by MisterCreosote, Nov 28, 2012.

  1. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Are they morally excused by the fact that the U.S. government - or at least the military - could be said to have actively condoned or encouraged atrocities in that conflict?
     
  2. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    What is your opinion of slave owners in the antebellum South?
     
  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Oy.

    Terrible parallels, every one.
     
  4. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Not terrible. Not at all. Difference in degree.

    I'm asking you for a moment to assume, for the sake of argument, that PEDs are morally and/or ethically wrong. There is an argument that they aren't, of course. But proceed from a place where they are morally or ethically wrong.

    Then the parallels are not terrible at all, and no "oy" necessary.
     
  5. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Terrible. Even as a rhetorical device. Even as a reductio ad absurdum gambit. Terrible. Every one.
     
  6. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

  7. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Analogous.
     
  8. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Not even.
     
  9. nmmetsfan

    nmmetsfan Active Member

    For someone claiming not to be a moralist, Dick's sure making moralist arguments
     
  10. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    But your self-assuredness on the issue tells me that you should have trouble explaining why they aren't analogous.

    Show, don't tell.
     
  11. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I'm not afraid to at least explore it, no.

    I certainly don't love the alternative: Anything goes.
     
  12. nmmetsfan

    nmmetsfan Active Member

    Steroids do not equal torture, killing and slavery. In any way (even moralistically)
     
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