2013 MLB Hall of Fame Screechfest

Jim Caple wrote about the 10-man limit and the issues it's going to bring.

I'll ask the voters on the board -- have they heard from others about the need to drop the limit because there are so many viable candidates now?

There are people saying that the logjam everyone fears won't take place, that HOF players will be elected to the HOF regardless of these upcoming oversized ballots.

 

Still hiding behind lame insults because you know you just got your ass kicked on the facts, again. But you MUST be used to that by now.

 

yeah, dude. just subtract 400 RBI from martinez's stats and that will give you an accurate number ... idiot.

 

One tracker with 31 full ballots:

80.6 Biggio
80.6 Raines
77.4 Bagwell
71.0 Piazza
58.1 Morris
51.6 Bonds
51.6 Clemens
51.6 Schilling

 

Now you're flat-out lying to cover up the beating you are taking on the facts. That, or you just have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, because I did no such thing.

I'm pulling numbers directly from baseballreference.com.

Here is Martinez's page, including 1,261 career RBI.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martied01.shtml

Here is Molitor's, including 1,306 career RBI
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/molitpa01.shtml

The averages for 162 games are right there as well. If you can find an actual error in the numbers I cited, please point it out. If you're just going to lie or make more stuff up, please just try stepping away from the computer for a while or at least go stalk somebody else.

 

The best ballot tracker out there has 51 full ballots in its first update, which is 8.9 percent of last year's total ballots.

70.6 - Bagwell
68.6 - Biggio
64.7 - Morris
64.7 - Piazza
64.7 - Raines
54.9 - Clemens
52.9 - Bonds
37.3 - Schilling
33.3 - Smith
31.4 - Martinez
31.4 - Trammell
19.6 - Murphy
15.7 - McGriff
15.7 - McGwire
11.8 - L. Walker
11.8 - Palmerio
11.8 - Sosa
5.9 - Mattingly
3.9 - Wells
3.9 - Bernie Williams
2.0 - Lofton
2.0 - Rose

 

How crazy would it be if nobody got in this year? Based on those numbers, that seems possible.

Interesting that Sosa is that low.

 

It wouldn't be crazy. It would be ridiculous.

 

It's going to be tough to get someone in. Assuming the 600-ballot total, there are 550 still out there.

Bagwell needs to be on 414.
Biggio needs to be on 415
Morris, Piazza, Raines need to be on 417
Clemens needs to be on 424
Bonds needs to be on 423
Shilling needs to be on 431

 

I know people on this thread have talked about it too, but I'm seeing more and more of the "we have to wait for more information" rationale for leaving Bonds and Clemens off this year. What more could there possibly be to know about them? Guys have written books on it already!

It's really just a cop-out excuse by the foot-stomping "he doesn't deserve to be a FIRST-BALLOT Hall of Famer" crowd.

 

That, and the voters determined to punish anybody who might have used.

 

Break it down into 11 50-ballot blocks.

For every ensuing 50 votes, guys needs to be on at least 40 ballots. I agree the sample size is relatively small. But you're already starting from way behind when, like Schilling, you have 19 out of 50 when you need to be on a 38 out of 50 pace. Even if he was on every one of the next 50 known ballots, he'd till be six percent short with 17 percent accounted for. It's a tough road to climb, even this early.

It looks like Bagwell, Piazza, Biggio, Morris and Raines are the five that are going to have any chance of getting it. Bonds and Clemens are in the mix because I'm actually surprised they are over 50 percent but I'd be totally not shocked if the next 50 ballots had both on them, none of them or were split evenly.