2013 MLB Hall of Fame Screechfest

Much obliged. After I posted that, I checked his B-R page.

He last played in 1994. Did he delay filing retirement papers? He signed with Cincinnati in Dec. 1994, but never played with them. So if he was cut in Spring Training 1995, wouldn't he have been done in 2010?

 

I'm guessing you didn't earn a ballot by printing things you can't back up, but that's basically what you are doing when you leave guys off your ballot who deserve to be in based on suspicion and unsubstantiated allegations.

By your reasoning, you should just not vote for anybody from the entire "steroid era" until their final year on the ballot, because aside from the guys who have failed a test or admitted to use, it is ridiculous to claim you know that anybody is clean.

Bagwell and Piazza are the best examples. I believe both are Hall of Famers without the accusations and I get the impression that you agree on that point. If you do, unless you have actual evidence that they used, your ballot is a joke without them.

 

He is, if he's not the HOF is a joke

 

Five-year wait put him on the 2000 ballot for the first time.

 

It obvious Pedro won't be a first-ballot choice. He only has 219 wins. I mean the guy had the nerve to wn 20 games just twice.

 

Agree completely.

 

FWIW, Jeff Pearlman wrote in his Clemens book that Piazza told beat writers off-the-record that he dabbled in steroids.

So it's not like there's nothing tying him to them whatsoever.

It's relatively thin, but it's not nothing.

 

Hoffman's getting in the Hall (and on the first ballot) was perhaps an expression of cynicism on my part with regard to the non-sabermetric approach taken by many BBWAA voters. I figured they'd see his 601 saves and automatically vote him in on that alone. I don't consider him Hall-worthy.

I may indeed be underselling Kent. I figured he'd perform poorly in the voting because of his bad attitude and because I thought he wasn't generally perceived as Hall-worthy in the media. Unlike Hoffman, I think Kent is at least marginally Hall-worthy.

I suspect Pedro may be bounced on the first ballot due to his incident with Zimmer.

 

I don't think so. I don't think that trails him the way Roberto Alomar's umpire incident did. It was a baseball fight. It's not like he fought dirty or seriously hurt the guy.

 

Mike Piazza
Jeff Bagwell
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell

If I had a ballot. I have no problem with the punishment for being caught with steroids being no HOF induction. If instructions came down to evaluate them considering it but not punishing them, obviously Bonds, & Clemens get in - no one else for now.

 

Damn, completely forgot about the five year wait.

 

Did Pearlman say who got that from? Sorry, using that as "evidence" is complete bullshit.