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2013 MLB Regular Season running thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Gehrig, Mar 30, 2013.

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  1. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    I remember a lot of the debate being based on RBI.

    There are plenty of gm's that let players walk, but even then he had 2 years to make that decision. And remind me again how Ortiz signed a contract remotely close to what Howard signed
     
    JC, Aug 9, 2013
    #3397
  2. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Aren't you a big rings guy?
     
    JC, Aug 9, 2013
    #3398
  3. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Hmm, I never knew that.

    Let's look at defense then. In his last 282 games Ryan has made 14 errors -- just 1 this season.

    In the 295 games before that he made 28.

    Pretty good all-around player who still has 5-6-7 strong years left.
     
    Songbird, Aug 9, 2013
    #3399
  4. Steak Snabler

    Steak Snabler Well-Known Member

    Gimme a break. He's a freakin' statue at first and everyone (except you, apparently) knows it. His Defensive WAR for his career is minus-11.8.

    But it's not Howard's defense that is the major problem, it's that he's completely helpless against left-handed pitchers.

    Howard's AVG/OBP/SLG vs. LHP, since his contract extension kicked in:

    2011: .224/.286/.347 in 185 PAs
    2012: .173/.226/.378 in 107 PAs
    2013: .173/.218/.321 in 98 PAs

    You want to pay $25 million a year for a platoon player with no defensive value? Be my guest.

    Enjoy third place.
     
    Steak Snabler, Aug 9, 2013
    #3400
  5. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    Some hack writer in D.C. suggested yesterday that Davey Johnson retire now instead of at the end of the season. Not sure I disagree. Not sure I agree, either, though. Tough spot.

    One good thing the Nats have done is given me some pause regarding the Redskins. Division title last year, sure, but probably 4-12 this year.
     
    JackReacher, Aug 9, 2013
    #3401
  6. Steak Snabler

    Steak Snabler Well-Known Member

    Someone (Richard Justice, maybe) suggested the Nats make a run at the Astros' Bo Porter. I know he was bench coach in Washington until this year and has worked for Fredi Gonzalez and Kirk Gibson, but it's hard to tell how good or bad a manager he is with that team he's got now.
     
    Steak Snabler, Aug 9, 2013
    #3402
  7. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    So you are saying the Phillies had a better run than the Cardinals? Yes or no.
     
    93Devil, Aug 9, 2013
    #3403
  8. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Are you saying that the Phillies are the third most successful franchise in recent years? It seems that's what two posters are getting at. One clings to "five straight playoffs," but two rings trumps five playoffs with one ring.
     
    93Devil, Aug 9, 2013
    #3404
  9. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Howard gets hurt. Utley gets hurt. Rollins misses half a season. The 4 Aces are really just a low pair. Victorino leaves.

    Ton of reasons why the window closed just as fast as it opened.

    Your point about his numbers v. LHPs are valid. But he's still has the fielding% in baseball (tied w/Morneau). The knock would be him being 7th in the NL in range factor: 7th: http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_/sort/rangeFactor

    Just looked (2006 to current) and some of Ryan's best hitting against LHP were against division rivals such as Glavine, Santana and a few others. Pretty good. On the flip side, his overall numbers against lefties the last few seasons suck. But he's not the first power lefty to struggle against southpaws, and he won't be the last.

    Before the injury he was a guy in his prime who hit between 31 and 58 homers with 110-130'ish RBIs who caught balls and had fair to middling range. Who else would the Phillies have gotten to replace him? And why? Howard, Utley, Rollins, (insert third baseman), Chooch behind the plate, 3 quality starters ... that's as good as you're going to get, and the Phillies had it until the injuries started to hit.

    Not even sure why I'm defending him, and perhaps I haven't made the best case for him, but the Achillies thing gummed up the works.

    Code:
                                                                      
                     PA AB  H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO    BA   OBP   SLG
John Lannan          43 37  9  2  0  3   8  3 13  .243  .349  .541
Pedro Feliciano      38 36  7  1  0  1   4  2 14  .194  .237  .306
Scott Olsen          38 35 15  3  0  2   9  2  6  .429  .474  .686
Tom Glavine          30 24  7  0  0  2   5  5  6  .292  .433  .542
Oliver Perez         29 25  3  0  0  1   5  2 14  .120  .207  .240
Johan Santana        27 25  8  0  0  4   7  2  5  .320  .370  .800
Andrew Miller        22 18  4  0  0  1  10  3  6  .222  .318  .389
Ted Lilly            21 21  5  1  0  2   5  0  7  .238  .238  .571
Randy Wolf           21 19  3  1  0  2   5  2  7  .158  .238  .526
Chuck James          21 18  3  0  0  3   7  2  7  .167  .238  .667
Clayton Kershaw      21 14  3  3  0  0   5  6  4  .214  .429  .429
Paul Maholm          20 19  4  0  0  0   4  1  6  .211  .250  .211
Renyel Pinto         20 16  4  1  0  2   4  4  8  .250  .400  .688
Joe Beimel           20 15  7  2  1  2   7  5  2  .467  .600 1.133
Jo-Jo Reyes          19 18  5  2  0  1   2  1  6  .278  .316  .556
Jonathan Sanchez     19 17  6  3  1  0   3  2  7  .353  .421  .647
Sean Marshall        19 16  5  1  0  0   5  2  5  .313  .421  .375
Will Ohman           18 18  4  1  1  1   3  0 10  .222  .222  .556
CC Sabathia          18 16  5  2  0  0   1  1  8  .313  .389  .438
Tim Byrdak           18 16  3  1  0  0   3  2  8  .188  .278  .250
Dontrelle Willis     17 15  4  0  0  1   4  1  5  .267  .353  .467
Andy Pettitte        16 16  2  0  0  1   3  0  5  .125  .125  .313
Jeff Francis         16 15  3  0  0  0   1  1  5  .200  .250  .200
Billy Wagner         16 14  3  1  0  0   0  2  7  .214  .313  .286
Jaime Garcia         15 15  2  0  0  1   1  0  8  .133  .133  .333
Mike Gonzalez        15 14  2  1  0  1   2  1  6  .143  .200  .429
Jonny Venters        15 14  2  0  0  0   0  0  7  .143  .200  .143
Trever Miller        15 13  5  0  0  1   2  2  4  .385  .467  .615
Eric OFlaherty       15 12  2  1  0  0   0  2  6  .167  .333  .250
Jorge De La Rosa     14 13  3  1  0  0   5  0  4  .231  .214  .308
Jeremy Affeldt       14 13  2  0  0  1   2  0  5  .154  .214  .385
Jonathon Niese       14 13  1  0  0  0   1  1  5  .077  .143  .077
Sean Burnett         14 11  3  1  0  0   1  3  4  .273  .429  .364
Bill Bray            13 13  0  0  0  0   0  0  7  .000  .000  .000
Wandy Rodriguez      13 12  4  0  0  1   4  1  4  .333  .385  .583
Scott Schoeneweis    13 12  1  1  0  0   1  1  3  .083  .154  .167
Macay McBride        13 11  1  0  0  0   1  2  5  .091  .231  .091
Royce Ring           13 10  4  0  0  1   6  3  3  .400  .538  .700
Pat Misch            12 12  2  1  0  0   0  0  1  .167  .167  .250
Joe Saunders         12 12  0  0  0  0   0  0  5  .000  .000  .000
Matt Chico           12 11  3  1  0  1   2  1  2  .273  .333  .636
Doug Davis           12 10  5  2  0  2   4  2  3  .500  .583 1.300
Arthur Rhodes        12 10  2  1  0  1   2  1  4  .200  .333  .600
Manny Parra          12  8  2  0  0  0   4  4  4  .250  .500  .250
Randy Flores         12  8  1  0  0  0   2  4  3  .125  .417  .125
Taylor Tankersley    12  7  0  0  0  0   0  4  5  .000  .417  .000
Chris Capuano        11 11  3  0  0  0   1  0  3  .273  .273  .273
Mitch Stetter        11 11  3  1  0  0   2  0  4  .273  .273  .364
Jack Taschner        11 10  4  1  0  2   8  1  5  .400  .455 1.100
Tom Gorzelanny       11 10  1  0  0  0   1  0  3  .100  .091  .100
Brian Tallet         10 10  1  0  0  0   1  0  4  .100  .100  .100
Ricky Romero         10 10  0  0  0  0   0  0  5  .000  .000  .000
Ron Villone          10  9  1  0  0  0   1  1  2  .111  .200  .111
Mike Dunn            10  8  3  0  0  1   5  1  5  .375  .500  .750
Javier Lopez          9  9  2  1  0  0   0  0  5  .222  .222  .333
Dennys Reyes          9  8  4  1  0  0   1  1  1  .500  .556  .625
Mark Hendrickson      9  8  1  0  0  0   1  1  5  .125  .222  .125
Rich Hill             9  8  1  1  0  0   1  1  5  .125  .222  .250
Jon Lester            9  8  1  0  0  0   0  1  5  .125  .222  .125
Barry Zito            9  8  1  1  0  0   1  1  3  .125  .222  .250
Franklin Morales      9  8  0  0  0  0   0  0  4  .000  .111  .000
Scott Kazmir          9  7  0  0  0  0   0  2  4  .000  .222  .000
Travis Wood           8  8  0  0  0  0   0  0  2  .000  .000  .000
Randy Choate          8  7  0  0  0  0   0  1  3  .000  .125  .000
Damaso Marte          8  7  0  0  0  0   1  0  5  .000  .000  .000
Mike Hampton          8  5  2  0  1  0   1  2  1  .400  .500  .800
Doug Slaten           8  5  0  0  0  0   0  3  2  .000  .375  .000
Hung-Chih Kuo         7  7  2  0  0  0   0  0  3  .286  .286  .286
Dan Meyer             7  7  2  1  0  0   0  0  0  .286  .286  .429
Billy Traber          7  7  0  0  0  0   0  0  3  .000  .000  .000
Wade LeBlanc          7  6  2  0  0  0   0  1  0  .333  .429  .333
Mike OConnor          7  6  1  0  0  0   0  1  3  .167  .286  .167
Zach Duke             7  5  3  0  0  0   0  2  2  .600  .714  .600
John Grabow           7  5  0  0  0  0   1  2  2  .000  .286  .000
Eric Milton           6  6  4  1  0  1   2  0  1  .667  .667 1.333
Joe Thatcher          6  6  2  0  0  1   1  0  4  .333  .333  .833
Danny Herrera         6  6  1  0  0  1   1  0  4  .167  .167  .667
Steve Kline           6  6  1  0  0  0   1  0  2  .167  .167  .167
David Price           6  6  1  1  0  0   1  0  2  .167  .167  .333
Raul Valdes           6  6  1  1  0  0   0  0  4  .167  .167  .333
Wesley Wright         6  6  1  0  0  0   0  0  4  .167  .167  .167
Greg Smith            6  6  0  0  0  0   1  0  4  .000  .000  .000
Dana Eveland          6  5  3  0  0  1   2  1  1  .600  .667 1.200
Jason Vargas          6  5  2  0  0  0   0  1  1  .400  .500  .400
Madison Bumgarner     6  5  1  1  0  0   0  1  3  .200  .333  .400
Mark Redman           6  5  1  0  0  0   0  1  1  .200  .333  .200
Ross Detwiler         6  4  0  0  0  0   0  1  2  .000  .333  .000
Chris Narveson        6  4  0  0  0  0   0  2  2  .000  .333  .000
Horacio Ramirez       5  5  4  0  0  1   2  0  1  .800  .800 1.400
Brad Mills            5  5  3  0  0  0   1  0  2  .600  .600  .600
Mike Stanton          5  5  2  0  0  1   3  0  3  .400  .400 1.000
Jesse English         5  5  1  0  0  0   0  0  0  .200  .200  .200
Ray King              5  5  1  0  0  0   0  0  0  .200  .200  .200
Cory Luebke           5  5  1  1  0  0   2  0  3  .200  .200  .400
C.J. Wilson           5  5  1  0  0  0   0  0  2  .200  .200  .200
Darren Oliver         5  5  0  0  0  0   0  0  5  .000  .000  .000
Ken Takahashi         5  5  0  0  0  0   0  0  4  .000  .000  .000
Boone Logan           5  4  2  1  0  0   0  0  2  .500  .600  .750
B.J. Ryan             5  4  2  0  0  0   0  1  2  .500  .600  .500
Matt Maloney          5  4  1  1  0  0   0  0  0  .250  .400  .500
Mike Maroth           5  4  1  0  0  1   1  0  3  .250  .400 1.000
Hisanori Takahashi    5  4  1  0  0  0   0  1  1  .250  .400  .250
Noah Lowry            5  3  1  1  0  0   1  1  1  .333  .400  .667
Wil Ledezma           4  4  2  1  0  0   2  0  2  .500  .500  .750
Clayton Richard       4  4  2  0  1  0   2  0  0  .500  .500 1.000
Phil Dumatrait        4  4  1  0  0  1   3  0  2  .250  .250 1.000
Matt Harrison         4  4  1  0  0  0   0  0  2  .250  .250  .250
Ron Mahay             4  4  1  0  0  1   1  0  2  .250  .250 1.000
Mike Hinckley         4  4  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Tyler Johnson         4  4  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000
Tom Martin            4  4  0  0  0  0   0  0  3  .000  .000  .000
David Williams        4  4  0  0  0  0   0  0  2  .000  .000  .000
Alan Embree           4  3  1  0  0  0   1  1  0  .333  .500  .333
Charlie Manning       4  3  1  0  0  0   1  1  1  .333  .500  .333
Shane Youman          4  3  1  0  0  0   0  1  1  .333  .500  .333
Scott Eyre            4  3  0  0  0  0   0  1  3  .000  .250  .000
George Sherrill       4  2  0  0  0  0   0  2  1  .000  .500  .000
David Wells           3  3  3  0  0  2   5  0  0 1.000 1.000 3.000
Chris Michalak        3  3  2  0  0  1   1  0  0  .667  .667 1.667
Mike Minor            3  3  2  0  0  0   2  0  0  .667  .667  .667
Jason Stanford        3  3  2  0  0  1   2  0  0  .667  .667 1.667
Fernando Abad         3  3  1  0  0  0   0  0  1  .333  .333  .333
Phil Coke             3  3  1  1  0  0   1  0  1  .333  .333  .667
John Danks            3  3  1  0  0  0   0  0  1  .333  .333  .333
Scott Elbert          3  3  1  1  0  0   2  0  0  .333  .333  .667
Cliff Lee             3  3  1  0  0  1   1  0  1  .333  .333 1.333
Mark Mulder           3  3  1  0  0  0   0  0  0  .333  .333  .333
Odalis Perez          3  3  1  0  0  1   2  0  2  .333  .333 1.333
Erik Bedard           3  3  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Micah Bowie           3  3  0  0  0  0   0  0  3  .000  .000  .000
Troy Cate             3  3  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Jon Coutlangus        3  3  0  0  0  0   0  0  2  .000  .000  .000
Scott Downs           3  3  0  0  0  0   0  0  2  .000  .000  .000
J.P. Howell           3  3  0  0  0  0   0  0  2  .000  .000  .000
Randy Johnson         3  3  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Hideki Okajima        3  3  0  0  0  0   0  0  2  .000  .000  .000
Nate Robertson        3  3  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Marc Rzepczynski      3  3  0  0  0  0   0  0  2  .000  .000  .000
David Purcey          3  2  2  0  0  0   2  1  0 1.000 1.000 1.000
Mike Remlinger        3  2  2  0  0  0   0  1  0 1.000 1.000 1.000
Sean West             3  2  2  1  0  0   0  1  0 1.000 1.000 1.500
Mike Bacsik           3  2  1  0  0  1   2  1  0  .500  .667 2.000
Brett Cecil           3  2  1  1  0  0   0  1  0  .500  .667 1.000
Graham Taylor         3  2  1  0  0  0   1  1  0  .500  .667  .500
Mike Gosling          3  2  0  0  0  0   0  1  2  .000  .333  .000
Brad Hand             3  2  0  0  0  0   0  1  0  .000  .333  .000
J.A. Happ             3  2  0  0  0  0   0  1  0  .000  .333  .000
Josh Outman           3  2  0  0  0  0   0  1  0  .000  .333  .000
Arnie Munoz           3  1  1  0  0  1   2  1  0 1.000 1.000 4.000
Eric Stults           2  2  2  0  0  2   4  0  0 1.000 1.000 4.000
Rex Brothers          2  2  1  0  0  1   2  0  1  .500  .500 2.000
Neal Cotts            2  2  1  0  0  1   1  0  1  .500  .500 2.000
Lenny DiNardo         2  2  1  0  0  0   0  0  0  .500  .500  .500
Brian Fuentes         2  2  1  0  0  0   0  0  1  .500  .500  .500
Aaron Fultz           2  2  1  0  0  0   0  0  0  .500  .500  .500
Eddie Guardado        2  2  1  0  0  0   1  0  1  .500  .500  .500
Chris Hammond         2  2  1  0  0  1   1  0  1  .500  .500 2.000
Mark McLemore         2  2  1  0  0  1   2  0  0  .500  .500 2.000
Glendon Rusch         2  2  1  0  0  0   0  0  1  .500  .500  .500
Daniel Schlereth      2  2  1  0  0  1   3  0  1  .500  .500 2.000
Matt Thornton         2  2  1  0  0  0   0  0  1  .500  .500  .500
Kurt Birkins          2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  2  .000  .000  .000
Aroldis Chapman       2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Kason Gabbard         2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  2  .000  .000  .000
Brent Leach           2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Rafael Perez          2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Matt Reynolds         2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000
Ricardo Rincon        2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  2  .000  .000  .000
Bobby Seay            2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Josh Spence           2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Justin Thomas         2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Les Walrond           2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Tony Watson           2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  2  .000  .000  .000
Kent Mercker          2  1  1  0  0  1   1  1  0 1.000 1.000 4.000
Brian Shouse          2  1  1  0  0  0   1  1  0 1.000 1.000 1.000
Jesse Carlson         2  1  0  0  0  0   0  1  0  .000  .500  .000
Tim Hamulack          2  1  0  0  0  0   0  1  1  .000  .500  .000
Ryan OMalley          2  1  0  0  0  0   1  0  0  .000  .500  .000
Clay Zavada           2  1  0  0  0  0   0  1  1  .000  .500  .000
Abe Alvarez           1  1  1  0  0  1   1  0  0 1.000 1.000 4.000
Brandon Claussen      1  1  1  0  0  1   1  0  0 1.000 1.000 4.000
Wayne Franklin        1  1  1  1  0  0   0  0  0 1.000 1.000 2.000
Justin Hampson        1  1  1  0  0  0   0  0  0 1.000 1.000 1.000
Jeremy Horst          1  1  1  0  0  0   0  0  0 1.000 1.000 1.000
Mike Myers            1  1  1  0  1  0   2  0  0 1.000 1.000 3.000
Jordan Norberto       1  1  1  0  0  1   2  0  0 1.000 1.000 4.000
James Russell         1  1  1  0  0  1   1  0  0 1.000 1.000 4.000
Tony Sipp             1  1  1  0  0  0   0  0  0 1.000 1.000 1.000
Gustavo Chacin        1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Rheal Cormier         1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Brian Duensing        1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000
Jimmy Gobble          1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Daniel Moskos         1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Luis Perez            1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000
Dustin Richardson     1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000
Cody Ross             1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000
Chris Seddon          1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000
Brian Shackelford     1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000
R.J. Swindle          1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Donnie Veal           1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000
Willie Collazo        1  0  0  0  0  0   0  1        0       1.000
Steve Colyer          1  0  0  0  0  0   0  1        0       1.000
Joey Eischen          1  0  0  0  0  0   0  1        0       1.000
Josh Newman           1  0  0  0  0  0   0  1        0       1.000
Dan Serafini          1  0  0  0  0  0   0  1        0       1.000

    And I like Bo Porter. The Astros may be a bunch of nobodies with a shitty record but they play hard every night.
     
    Songbird, Aug 9, 2013
    #3405
  10. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    Yeah. That's been tossed around since the day Porter got the Astros job. Everyone knew he'd fail there, but would get at least some experience as a manager, and could be a fit for when Davey retired.

    Matt Williams is also a name that has been making the rounds. I wouldn't hate that, from the very little I know about him.
     
    JackReacher, Aug 9, 2013
    #3406
  11. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    What was the Nats' main problem this year? Span? Haren? None of their main hitters hit to potential or even near potential, right? No lead off man?

    They look like they should be able to show up and win 90 games pretty easily.
     
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    93Devil, Aug 9, 2013
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  12. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    You have completely moved the goalposts once again. Go back and read your original post on this.
     
    JC, Aug 9, 2013
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