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2013 MLB Regular Season running thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Gehrig, Mar 30, 2013.

  1. Matt1735

    Matt1735 Well-Known Member

    I will regret this egging on, but I also can't resist. Please, oh wise one, tell me the stat that calculates value. And remember, the award is not for the BEST player, but MOST VALUABLE. So make sure it distinguishes between those two terms.
     
  2. NDJournalist

    NDJournalist Active Member

    VORP and WAR, among others, help calculate value.
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Someone said that it's a subjective award.

    Thus, I ask again: What if Jemile Weeks had won it?

    Defensible?
     
  4. peacer84

    peacer84 Member

    And I just won't listen, will I?

    Haha, all right, this thread has been hiijacked enough. I'll stop fanning the flames.
     
  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    What if Gordon Beckham had won it?
     
  6. Orange Hat Bobcat

    Orange Hat Bobcat Active Member

    ND, will you please explain the difference between WAR and VORP? And the difference between the WAR formulas used by Baseball Reference and FanGraphs? And what one statistic, what one acronym and its corresponding number, is the most important when considering player value?
     
  7. NDJournalist

    NDJournalist Active Member

    No. It's all readily available on Google.
     
  8. NDJournalist

    NDJournalist Active Member

    They're all important, and they all screamed Mike Trout was the most valuable player in baseball last season.
     
  9. Orange Hat Bobcat

    Orange Hat Bobcat Active Member

    I don't care what I can find on Google or Baseball Reference or Baseball Prospectus or FanGraphs or SABR (of which I have been a proud member for years) or some blog.

    I want you to explain them.

    I want you to tell all of us what they mean.
     
  10. Jake_Taylor

    Jake_Taylor Well-Known Member

    Similar to Strasburg, James Shields just isn't a winner. Sure, he pitched eight solid innings today, but the Royals didn't step it up and win until he was out of the game and no longer bringing the team down to his level.

    He's now averaging 7 innings per in five starts with a 3.09 ERA, 1.09 WHIP and 32 strikeouts to nine walks. But a 1-2 record. Total looser.
     
  11. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    For the record, no one here actually, in seriousness, said that Strasburg isn't a winner. I was being a smartass about it because Moddy and some other Nats fans on here are old-school, unabashed sabermetrics haters and I thought it would be fun to turn the tables on them a bit since it was their own guy not picking up wins.
     
  12. NDJournalist

    NDJournalist Active Member

    I believe WAR, b-r WAR anyway, is calculated by the following formula:
    bWAR = (P_{runs} - A_{runs}) + (A_{runs} - R_{runs})

    It takes into play baserunning, fielding and hitting.
     
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