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2013 MLB Regular Season running thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Gehrig, Mar 30, 2013.

  1. NDJournalist

    NDJournalist Active Member

    False.
     
  2. Uncle.Ruckus

    Uncle.Ruckus Guest

    No, I'm pretty sure Herpes is an STD.
     
  3. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    Here's my only issue with that argument:

    Earned Run Average = 9 * ((RA - UER) / IP)

    Batting Average = (1B + 2B + 3B + HR) / (PA - BB - HBP - SF - SH)

    These are not simple formulas. And it took many decades and arguments to determine exactly what goes into the denominators for those stats. And yet, these are considered "traditional" stats that are intuitive to just about every baseball fan today.

    What makes you think that won't also be true for WAR or FIP or some yet-to-be-invented defensive metric in another 20 years?

    Most stats do tell us what we already can see with our eyes. I don't need a number to know that Yu Darvish dominated the Angels last night. But often, our eyes and memories are wrong and that's where numbers can be extremely helpful.
     
  4. peacer84

    peacer84 Member

    Or you know...

    Hits divided by at-bats
     
  5. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    Exactly my point. It's easy now.

    But it took baseball people 50 years to define an "at-bat."
     
  6. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    BuckW, that's an excellent point. I would be ashamed to admit how long it took in my life before I could do ERA in my head. For most of it, I just knew lower was better. That's how it will become for fans with the newer stats, too. They'll assimilate that lower or higher means good, establish a baseline number in their heads, and VORP will be just like RBI, an acronym everybody understands.
    Of course, by then there will be new and controversial acronyms.
     
  7. NDJournalist

    NDJournalist Active Member

    But even judging whether a pitcher is good or not based on ERA is problematic. Mark Buehrle possesses a 5.87 ERA through four starts. But the BABIP against him is .342 and his FIP is 4.15. So while he hasn't pitched great, by any means, he's been extremely unlucky and his ERA will probably start to dip downward if the Jays' defense gets its stuff together and if Buehrle's unluckiness levels off.
     
  8. NDJournalist

    NDJournalist Active Member

    Hawk Harrelson on sabermetrics:

    .be
     
  9. Football_Bat

    Football_Bat Well-Known Member

    Anyone with a K/9 of under 1.0 is dogging it.
     
  10. Jake_Taylor

    Jake_Taylor Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't call it an argument, more an explanation of a personal preference. Other than that I don't really disagree with anything you said. I'm sure in 20 years I'll be as familiar and comfortable with the newer stats as I am with ERA and batting average today. But for right now I just haven't been inclined to learn what all the acronyms mean and how they are figured and it hasn't hampered my enjoyment.
     
  11. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    I heard he was an Epsilon who matured in a decanting bottle.
     
  12. Uncle.Ruckus

    Uncle.Ruckus Guest

    How many times are you going to quote your own post, Herpes?
     
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