2013 NFL draft running thread

Versatile · Jan 8, 2013

Re: 2013 NFL draft/early entry running thread: Marcus Lattimore going pro

Recruiting rankings are based on how players project at the college level. Rivals had Manti Te'o No. 12, behind No. 1 Bryce Brown among others. The only player above Te'o who may have had a better college career is Trent Richardson.

The rankings generally work best at positions like wide receiver and linebacker, where great athletes can shine without as much help from teammates. Chance Warmack, a three-year starter and three-time champion rated as the best guard prospect since Steve Hutchinson, was a three-star recruit.

Mizzougrad96 · Jan 8, 2013

Re: 2013 NFL draft/early entry running thread: Marcus Lattimore going pro

LongTimeListener said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

LongTimeListener said:

Stanford tight end Zach Ertz -- projected first-rounder -- is gone. (Has his degree. Good Stanford boy.)

Bigger news is that Ben Gardner, Shayne Skov and Trent Murphy are staying, which means Stanford returns 10 of 11 starters on defense.
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I've rooted against Stanford for most of my life (Cal fan) but I must admit, I respect the hell out of what they're doing there... Now they just need to keep the NFL away from this coach.
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They just signed him to a contract extension and they very pointedly said it was "long term." When pressed on it, they added that it was for the "foreseeable future." It was odd because in previous cases of high-profile coaches, Stanford has announced the length of contract extensions: three, four years, whatever. I read one bit of informed speculation that this could mean they put together something like a 10- or 15-year deal with an annual rollover. Lifetime contracts aren't allowed there, but that's pretty close.

I get the feeling Shaw really does know how good he has it.
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I like hearing that. It's refreshing to see Shaw stay at Stanford and Charlie Strong stay at Louisville rather than get eaten up and spit out at some medium-level SEC school.

nmmetsfan · Jan 8, 2013

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Steak Snabler said:

Dick Whitman said:

I wonder how much Manti Te'o's stock fell last night? A lot, I'm guessing.

You know, it's crazy. He had a college career for the ages. Runner-up for the Heisman at linebacker. Seven interceptions as a senior. BCS title game. Notre Dame legend. But you could argue that he didn't end up living up to his recruiting stock. I think he was the No. 2 recruit in the country, according to Rivals, his year. He definitely won't go No. 2 in the draft. Obviously that's not "bust" territory, but it's just kind of funny.

As I expressed on the Heisman thread, I think, there should definitely be some questions about him. In particular, a lot of his value - at middle linebacker - had to do with his exhorbitant amount of interceptions. I'm sure he has a nose for the ball, to a degree, but I bet he doesn't have seven interceptions his entire NFL career. You can't draft him for that.
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Didn't prove to be much of a tackler, that's for sure.
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Prior to last night he had two missed tackles this season. All season. Dude had a bad game. Alabama made the whole team look pretty helpless.

Dick Whitman · Jan 8, 2013

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Versatile said:

Recruiting rankings are based on how players project at the college level.
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For how many guys is that really much different from how they project in the NFL? Perhaps the occasional quarterback. That's about it.

Dick Whitman · Jan 8, 2013

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nmmetsfan said:

Steak Snabler said:

Dick Whitman said:

I wonder how much Manti Te'o's stock fell last night? A lot, I'm guessing.

You know, it's crazy. He had a college career for the ages. Runner-up for the Heisman at linebacker. Seven interceptions as a senior. BCS title game. Notre Dame legend. But you could argue that he didn't end up living up to his recruiting stock. I think he was the No. 2 recruit in the country, according to Rivals, his year. He definitely won't go No. 2 in the draft. Obviously that's not "bust" territory, but it's just kind of funny.

As I expressed on the Heisman thread, I think, there should definitely be some questions about him. In particular, a lot of his value - at middle linebacker - had to do with his exhorbitant amount of interceptions. I'm sure he has a nose for the ball, to a degree, but I bet he doesn't have seven interceptions his entire NFL career. You can't draft him for that.
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Didn't prove to be much of a tackler, that's for sure.
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Prior to last night he had two missed tackles this season. All season. Dude had a bad game. Alabama made the whole team look pretty helpless.
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If you don't think his stock dropped last night, you're kidding yourself.

nmmetsfan · Jan 8, 2013

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I didn't say that.

Versatile · Jan 8, 2013

Re: 2013 NFL draft/early entry running thread: Marcus Lattimore going pro

Dick Whitman said:

Versatile said:

Recruiting rankings are based on how players project at the college level.
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For how many guys is that really much different from how they project in the NFL? Perhaps the occasional quarterback. That's about it.
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That's absurd. Look at all the small and fast wide receivers and running backs or 270-pound interior linemen who become great college players. I haven't looked over the numbers, but I doubt more than half of most years' first-team all-Americans are first-round draft picks.

Dick Whitman · Jan 8, 2013

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Versatile said:

Dick Whitman said:

Versatile said:

Recruiting rankings are based on how players project at the college level.
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For how many guys is that really much different from how they project in the NFL? Perhaps the occasional quarterback. That's about it.
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That's absurd. Look at all the small and fast wide receivers and running backs or 270-pound interior linemen who become great college players. I haven't looked over the numbers, but I doubt more than half of most years' first-team all-Americans are first-round draft picks.
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And I bet those 270-pound interior linemen were not highly ranked by the recruiting services coming out of high school.

JackReacher · Jan 9, 2013

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Here's the 2008 Rivals Top 150. How many of the top 30 or so guys were first-round picks?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-rivals100/2008

JackReacher · Jan 9, 2013

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Here's the 2009 Rivals Top 150:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-rivals100/2009

Flying Headbutt · Jan 9, 2013

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Well #68 from 2008 just went number 1 overall.

And I chuckled at #71 from 2009.

JackReacher · Jan 9, 2013

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Flying Headbutt said:

And I chuckled at #71 from 2009.
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Which is about right now that we know he isn't the second coming of Cam Newton, doesn't it?

He's likely to come back for another year, but man, after seeing him regress hard this year, I kinda hope he turns pro. He'll be a second round pick at best. Deadline is soon, right?

Oh, and don't worry. Maryland showed up on those lists. Once.

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