2013 Pro Football Hall of Fame Finalists

can't 'ignore' it but can dismiss it. those still only count for two of his hof-worthy seasons. a hof'er needs more, imho. but i can certainly envision the warner debate being among the more intense in the hof voters room....

 

I think the Hall is better served having a guy like Warner in than guys like Tim Brown. The "can't tell the story of the league" angle comes into play with a transcendent, albeit meteoric career like Warner's much more than it does with guys who put up "great" numbers over a long period but never had a significant impact.

 

This is what drives me nuts. Warner is a great "debate" candidate, but . . .

If a 40-yard pass to Santonio Holmes is not completed at the 6-yard line with less than a minute left, followed by a 6-yard TD pass to win the game for the Steelers . . . Warner's HOF case would be much stronger?

A couple of plays the opposition executes while you are standing on the sidelines should not determine your legacy as a HOF player.

 

Warner has the credentials that traditionally get quarterbacks into the Hall. It will be startling if he is not selected. Doesn't mean that might not happen, but it would be an upset.

PS: Class, can you name the only other quarterback besides Warner to start Super Bowls for more than one team?

 

oh, i agree with that. tim brown isn't a hof'er in my book. and i view warner as more hof-worthy -- in his best seasons warner was a guy you had to game-plan to stop. brown was just another in a long line of 'hall of very good'-worthy wideouts.

 

Craig Morton.

 

yes, it would. might not seem fair to you but it's just the way it is in many eyes. not dissimilar to all the 'peyton's post-season legacy' chatter off of last week's los to the ravens. so peyton has been villified by many for throwing the ot int that set up baltimore's winning fg. is it fair that peyton had just put the winning points on the board only to watch helplessly from the sideline as that broncos db effed up, misplaying the inexcusable, 73-yard td pass to tie the game with a half minute left?

them thar's the breaks in the ultimate TEAM game -- in which QBs are assigned won-lost records, regardless pf how much or little they contributed to the outcome.

 

Rams Warner: Has two of the league's top WR's and a HOF RB
Arizona Warner: Has two of the league's top WR's including likely the best (Fitz)
Giants Warner: Didn't have top WR's

Warner dominated when he had a stacked receiving core and stunk up the joint when he didn't. That to me clinches him not being a HOF player.

 

The induction standards for quarterbacks are lower than those for other positions because quarterbacks are more important. This isn't new or complicated.

 

That would be the drawback. Sort of like with Terrell Davis. Didn't do it long enough. I can see good arguments both ways.

 

The only quarterback whose top single season I'd put above Warner's 1999 is Dan Marino's 1984, and the only quarterback I'd say was better at his absolute best on a given day was ... nobody.

 

What? He was playing with arguably the best receiving corps ever, in a dome, with a great offensive line blocking for him. Aaron Rodgers was better in 2011.