2014 NBA draft/off-season thread

sgreenwell · Jun 23, 2014

Re: 2014 NBA draft thread

amraeder said:

sgreenwell said:

SEC Guy said:

Cavs reportedly leaning toward taking Parker. I've seen other stories that say they might want Exum.

It makes me wonder what they have against Wiggins.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24594400/berger-cavaliers-leaning-towards-jabari-parker-bucks-toward-wiggins
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Wiggins is a bit more raw than Parker, who pretty much everyone thinks will be a 20 PPG scorer in the NBA almost immediately. However, Parker is seen as a bit more doughy without as much upside. Like best case scenario, he's Carmelo Anthony, a guy who you have a puncher's chance of winning with. Worst case, I guess he's someone like Glenn Robinson? A decent player, but not as good as the scoring numbers would have you believe. Wiggins might never score enough to be an all-star, but he's supposed to be a fantastic defensive player.
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It seems to me like Wiggins skills fit better what the Cavs need. They have no one who can guard opposing wing players. And they have no one who can be consistent on offense without the ball in their hands. Wiggins definitely has room to grow as an offensive player, but you can easily imagine him being great when Kyrie bends defenses away from him.
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I don't disagree with any of this, but the Cavs and the Bucks both seem to foolishly think they're only a player or two away from being a playoff contender. I mean, they're in the East, so that might be the case, but to me they both have lots of holes and question marks on their roster, and shouldn't be pursuing a "win now!" mindset.

amraeder · Jun 23, 2014

Re: 2014 NBA draft thread

sgreenwell said:

amraeder said:

sgreenwell said:

SEC Guy said:

Cavs reportedly leaning toward taking Parker. I've seen other stories that say they might want Exum.

It makes me wonder what they have against Wiggins.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24594400/berger-cavaliers-leaning-towards-jabari-parker-bucks-toward-wiggins
Click to expand...

Wiggins is a bit more raw than Parker, who pretty much everyone thinks will be a 20 PPG scorer in the NBA almost immediately. However, Parker is seen as a bit more doughy without as much upside. Like best case scenario, he's Carmelo Anthony, a guy who you have a puncher's chance of winning with. Worst case, I guess he's someone like Glenn Robinson? A decent player, but not as good as the scoring numbers would have you believe. Wiggins might never score enough to be an all-star, but he's supposed to be a fantastic defensive player.
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It seems to me like Wiggins skills fit better what the Cavs need. They have no one who can guard opposing wing players. And they have no one who can be consistent on offense without the ball in their hands. Wiggins definitely has room to grow as an offensive player, but you can easily imagine him being great when Kyrie bends defenses away from him.
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I don't disagree with any of this, but the Cavs and the Bucks both seem to foolishly think they're only a player or two away from being a playoff contender. I mean, they're in the East, so that might be the case, but to me they both have lots of holes and question marks on their roster, and shouldn't be pursuing a "win now!" mindset.
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Agree with that, too. No reason to chase the No.8 seed. I think Parker is the win-now pick. I fully expect him to win RoY. He's more polished on the offensive side. Wiggins game will need work, but I think he'll be the better player in 3 years.

old_tony · Jun 23, 2014

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Bob Cook said:

SEC Guy said:

MisterCreosote said:

The report that seems plausible to me is that the Sixers will unload MCW to the Lakers for the seventh pick, and then take Exum third.

My guess would be they hope Embiid falls to 7, and then Nik Stauskas at 10.
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That would be a pretty good move for both teams, although the Sixers will still suck next season unless Noel is a beast, and I don't really see him as a superstar from an offensive standpoint.
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That move would crush my MCW/Sixers-loving son. Crush him.
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Doesn't loving the Sixers crush him enough?

heyabbott · Jun 23, 2014

Re: 2014 NBA draft thread

amraeder said:

sgreenwell said:

amraeder said:

sgreenwell said:

SEC Guy said:

Cavs reportedly leaning toward taking Parker. I've seen other stories that say they might want Exum.

It makes me wonder what they have against Wiggins.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24594400/berger-cavaliers-leaning-towards-jabari-parker-bucks-toward-wiggins
Click to expand...

Wiggins is a bit more raw than Parker, who pretty much everyone thinks will be a 20 PPG scorer in the NBA almost immediately. However, Parker is seen as a bit more doughy without as much upside. Like best case scenario, he's Carmelo Anthony, a guy who you have a puncher's chance of winning with. Worst case, I guess he's someone like Glenn Robinson? A decent player, but not as good as the scoring numbers would have you believe. Wiggins might never score enough to be an all-star, but he's supposed to be a fantastic defensive player.
Click to expand...

It seems to me like Wiggins skills fit better what the Cavs need. They have no one who can guard opposing wing players. And they have no one who can be consistent on offense without the ball in their hands. Wiggins definitely has room to grow as an offensive player, but you can easily imagine him being great when Kyrie bends defenses away from him.
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I don't disagree with any of this, but the Cavs and the Bucks both seem to foolishly think they're only a player or two away from being a playoff contender. I mean, they're in the East, so that might be the case, but to me they both have lots of holes and question marks on their roster, and shouldn't be pursuing a "win now!" mindset.
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Agree with that, too. No reason to chase the No.8 seed. I think Parker is the win-now pick. I fully expect him to win RoY. He's more polished on the offensive side. Wiggins game will need work, but I think he'll be the better player in 3 years.
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if you are Cleveland and Milwaukee and Wiggins won't mature into an accomplished player for 2-3 years, why draft him? Why would Wiggins stay in Cleveland or Milwaukee after his rookie contract expires if he can choose to play for a more desirable team just as he develops into a better player?

Rainman · Jun 23, 2014

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Wiggins is more suited for the NBA and I think he'll surprise a lot of people of the offensive side of the ball. I think he joins his Canadian friends Bennett and Thompson in Cleveland.

sgreenwell · Jun 23, 2014

Re: 2014 NBA draft thread

heyabbott said:

amraeder said:

sgreenwell said:

amraeder said:

sgreenwell said:

SEC Guy said:

Cavs reportedly leaning toward taking Parker. I've seen other stories that say they might want Exum.

It makes me wonder what they have against Wiggins.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24594400/berger-cavaliers-leaning-towards-jabari-parker-bucks-toward-wiggins
Click to expand...

Wiggins is a bit more raw than Parker, who pretty much everyone thinks will be a 20 PPG scorer in the NBA almost immediately. However, Parker is seen as a bit more doughy without as much upside. Like best case scenario, he's Carmelo Anthony, a guy who you have a puncher's chance of winning with. Worst case, I guess he's someone like Glenn Robinson? A decent player, but not as good as the scoring numbers would have you believe. Wiggins might never score enough to be an all-star, but he's supposed to be a fantastic defensive player.
Click to expand...

It seems to me like Wiggins skills fit better what the Cavs need. They have no one who can guard opposing wing players. And they have no one who can be consistent on offense without the ball in their hands. Wiggins definitely has room to grow as an offensive player, but you can easily imagine him being great when Kyrie bends defenses away from him.
Click to expand...

I don't disagree with any of this, but the Cavs and the Bucks both seem to foolishly think they're only a player or two away from being a playoff contender. I mean, they're in the East, so that might be the case, but to me they both have lots of holes and question marks on their roster, and shouldn't be pursuing a "win now!" mindset.
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Agree with that, too. No reason to chase the No.8 seed. I think Parker is the win-now pick. I fully expect him to win RoY. He's more polished on the offensive side. Wiggins game will need work, but I think he'll be the better player in 3 years.
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if you are Cleveland and Milwaukee and Wiggins won't mature into an accomplished player for 2-3 years, why draft him? Why would Wiggins stay in Cleveland or Milwaukee after his rookie contract expires if he can choose to play for a more desirable team just as he develops into a better player?
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Plenty of players stay with teams that drafted them - there are financial reasons to do so. Kevin Love will be leaving the Wolves after six or seven seasons, and LeBron left Cleveland after seven seasons, which was plenty of time for both teams to do more to keep them in the fold. Thanks to restricted free agency, Bird rights and other fun things, the team that drafted you almost always can pay you the most, unless you're traded to another team.

SEC Guy · Jun 24, 2014

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If Parker or Wiggins are even decent next season, I would think the Cavs would be pretty close to being a playoff contender next season. If Bennett shows any level of improvement, that would help as well.

The Bucks? That's another story.

Pancamo · Jun 24, 2014

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Lebron opts out.

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11127329/lebron-james-opt-contract-miami-heat

sgreenwell · Jun 24, 2014

Re: 2014 NBA draft thread

SEC Guy said:

If Parker or Wiggins are even decent next season, I would think the Cavs would be pretty close to being a playoff contender next season. If Bennett shows any level of improvement, that would help as well.

The Bucks? That's another story.
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Cleveland finished five games behind Atlanta for the final playoff spot, and the Hawks figure to be better this year if Horford comes back healthy. The Cavs aren't expected to be able to re-sign Deng, so Wiggins or Parker in for him is probably a wash this next year. Charlotte at #7 is probably the most likely to fall out of the playoffs, but they finished 10 games ahead of the Cavs. Brooklyn is old and creaky, and finished 11 games ahead of the Cavs for the #6 seed. Plus, while Detroit's roster isn't ideal, they now have Stan Van Gundy, so they strike me as possibly the best chance of getting into the playoffs, even if they were four games worse than Cleveland.

SEC Guy · Jun 24, 2014

Re: 2014 NBA draft thread

Pancamo said:

Lebron opts out.

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11127329/lebron-james-opt-contract-miami-heat
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I think people would have been stunned if he didn't opt out.

Steak Snabler · Jun 24, 2014

Re: 2014 NBA draft thread

SEC Guy said:

Pancamo said:

Lebron opts out.

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11127329/lebron-james-opt-contract-miami-heat
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I think people would have been stunned if he didn't opt out.
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Would be awesome if Carmelo signed in Miami and then LeBron went back to Cleveland.

SEC Guy · Jun 24, 2014

Re: 2014 NBA draft thread

Steak Snabler said:

SEC Guy said:

Pancamo said:

Lebron opts out.

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11127329/lebron-james-opt-contract-miami-heat
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I think people would have been stunned if he didn't opt out.
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Would be awesome if Carmelo signed in Miami and then LeBron went back to Cleveland.
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They were saying on ESPN that the Lakers had enough cap space to sign both LeBron and Carmelo.

I hope Carmelo goes to Chicago. I don't think LeBron goes anywhere.

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