2014 NBA draft/off-season thread

Guy_Incognito · May 28, 2014

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Does Love play defense? That seems essential to be ranked at that level.

Mizzougrad96 · May 28, 2014

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qtlaw said:

The days of NY/LA being a requirement to be a brand leader/superstar are gone. Sure before they had more papers and more media than others; but now? You can be a big player if you are in Madrid.

Miami is a big enough market for LeBron; why leave?

If Love is truly a No. 4 player, why haven't the Wolves been in the playoffs ever? Someone just said LeBron would carry a 4 seed by himself. Is Love at #4 that far from LeBron that he cannot even get a #8?

IMHO, I don't think an individual player can raise everyone that high, especially in the West; although 3-4 years ago don't recall the West being that loaded.
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I'd have a hard time putting Love in the top 5. I think the top 3 is pretty obvious, James, Durant, Paul... Is Love better than Westbrook, Harden, Curry, George, Howard, Griffin? I'm sure he fits in there somewhere, but not sure where.

Rainman · May 28, 2014

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Mizzougrad96 said:

Rainman said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

Guy_Incognito said:

Webster said:

As a purely basketball matter decision, the Heat are going to have a hard time keeping it going after this season and LeBron would be best served by leaving.

Battier and Allen are basically done, Cole and Chalmers are average at best and everyone else is a below-average role player. And Wade is the big wild card -- I'm not sure he's got more than a year or so left as an elite level player.
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He doesn't have to go anywhere with players. He turns anyone into an instant contender, and if there's cap space there, he can choose any FA to come play with him - they would line up - and continue winning titles every year.
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I think you could put LeBron on the worst team in the NBA and they're no worse than a top 4 playoff seed next season as long as he's healthy. It takes a little more than that to be a title contender.

I think the issue is that he wants to go to a large market team. The Lakers are a mess he's not going to the Clippers unless the team is sold. I think he wants to avoid an inevitable Jordan comparison, so that might prevent him from going to the Bulls or Knicks.

The teams that are equipped to win immediately, Oklahoma City, Indiana... it would be hard to imagine him going there.

Brooklyn would be intriguing, but there's probably a reason this hasn't been mentioned. I'm assuming the Nets have no cap space after some of the moves they made a year ago.

Where else does he go?
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He doesn't need a large market though. There's nothing Chicago, LA or NY can do for him that he hasn't gotten while in Miami & Cleveland. Market size really only caters to lower tier guys imo
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I agree in theory, but hasn't Nike paid certain athletes more if they were in the bigger markets? I can't imagine James would need that kind of incentive, but if the shoe company that pays him $20 million a year thinks they would be better served if he was in certain markets, he might listen.

I agree that it shouldn't make a difference.
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Not quite sure to be honest, but you look at the deals guys like John Wall got in Washington, or even Lillard's in Portland(3rd highest contract ever), companies dont really care anymore where they play as long as the guy can play because they'll find a way to make them a big deal.

da man · May 28, 2014

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Media is everywhere now. You don't have to live in New York to get exposure anymore. Every market is now a giant media market.

Jake_Taylor · May 28, 2014

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da man said:

Media is everywhere now. You don't have to live in New York to get exposure anymore. Every market is now a giant media market.
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To a degree, but more people are fans of teams in bigger cities or traditional powers. I bet Carmelo Anthony sells more jerseys and has better endorsements playing for the Knicks than he would if he went to Memphis. Kevin Garnett showed up in a lot more adidas ads playing for Boston than he did in Minnesota.

Mizzougrad96 · May 28, 2014

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Jake_Taylor said:

da man said:

Media is everywhere now. You don't have to live in New York to get exposure anymore. Every market is now a giant media market.
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To a degree, but more people are fans of teams in bigger cities or traditional powers. I bet Carmelo Anthony sells more jerseys and has better endorsements playing for the Knicks than he would if he went to Memphis. Kevin Garnett showed up in a lot more adidas ads playing for Boston than he did in Minnesota.
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I think it makes a difference. Obviously, Kevin Durant is getting plenty of attention playing in one of the smallest markets, but that number would just go up if he was in NY or LA. How much have we heard about Jeremy Lin since he went to Houston?

Michael_ Gee · May 28, 2014

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This is an unfair comparison to Lin, who's a much better player at his sport, but his fame in New York rested on one stretch of improbable heroics oddly similar to those of Tim Tebow with the Broncos. In Houston, he's a competent guard on a team with two other really big stars and is treated accordingly.

Jake_Taylor · May 28, 2014

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I'm thinking it doesn't make as big a difference for the guys at the very top. LeBron was a superstar playing for a high school in Ohio. He might make a little more in the biggest markets, but people are on his bandwagon whereever he goes. It's probably to a lesser degree for Durant, but Kobe, Shaq, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Wilt. Those guys would have all been huge even if they played in Buffalo or Fort Wayne.

It's guys like Carmello, Dwight Howard, Love, etc. who really see a significant increase in their earning potential in New York or LA.

Mizzougrad96 · May 28, 2014

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Michael_ Gee said:

This is an unfair comparison to Lin, who's a much better player at his sport, but his fame in New York rested on one stretch of improbable heroics oddly similar to those of Tim Tebow with the Broncos. In Houston, he's a competent guard on a team with two other really big stars and is treated accordingly.
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True. He never should have gotten the level of hype that he got during that stretch, and that doesn't happen anywhere else. He's a very respectable, solid player, but there was zero chance of him living up to the Linsanity hype during that stretch.

What's funny is Houston is rumored to be offering Lin to the Knicks in a package deal for Carmelo.

Mizzougrad96 · May 28, 2014

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Jake_Taylor said:

I'm thinking it doesn't make as big a difference for the guys at the very top. LeBron was a superstar playing for a high school in Ohio. He might make a little more in the biggest markets, but people are on his bandwagon whereever he goes. It's probably to a lesser degree for Durant, but Kobe, Shaq, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Wilt. Those guys would have all been huge even if they played in Buffalo or Fort Wayne.

It's guys like Carmello, Dwight Howard, Love, etc. who really see a significant increase in their earning potential in New York or LA.
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I don't remember Chris Paul having national ads before he got to LA, at least nothing close to what he has now.

Jake_Taylor · May 28, 2014

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Yeah, I don't think Blake Griffin would do as many national ads either if he traded places with Love.

Mizzougrad96 · May 28, 2014

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Well, Russell Westbrook was still able to secure that "Flattiza" campaign.

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