2014 NFL draft thread (no longer too early)

93Devil · Jan 12, 2014

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3_Octave_Fart said:

Versatile said:

BDC99 said:

Michael_ Gee said:

As long as they have Brady, the identity of their receivers is irrelevant.
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True enough. But if he had, you know, GOOD receivers, that offense would be unstoppable. Again. (See: Moss, Randy 2007-09).
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Yes, it bugs me when people say that. Remember how Donovan McNabb made James Thrah and Todd Pinkston work? The same was said. Then the Eagles gave him a real weapon (Terrell Owens) for a year, and he looked better than ever.
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Brady has won two or three different times with no-name receivers.
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They have not won anything since they signed Moss.

3_Octave_Fart · Jan 12, 2014

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Pretty remarkable the team has had seven different leading receivers in Brady's 13 seasons as a starter.
Including scrubs David Givens and Reche Caldwell.

Steak Snabler · Dec 15, 2014

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3_Octave_Fart said:

Pretty remarkable the team has had seven different leading receivers in Brady's 13 seasons as a starter.
Including scrubs David Givens and Reche Caldwell.
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Somebody say my name?

Big Circus · Jan 12, 2014

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Mizzougrad96 said:

MisterCreosote said:

Don't forget that, if you're making a list of the Top 5 running quarterbacks of all time, at least three of them are white, arguably. (Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton and Roger Staubach.)
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Absolutely.
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Elway's up there, too.

Mark2010 · Jan 12, 2014

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3_Octave_Fart said:

Pretty remarkable the team has had seven different leading receivers in Brady's 13 seasons as a starter.
Including scrubs David Givens and Reche Caldwell.
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So this is reverse logic at its best. The worse the receivers are, the better Brady looks. So let's get the worst receivers possible, cause we'll save some coin and Brady will play even better. Is that it?

3_Octave_Fart · Jan 12, 2014

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Part of his greatness is that he has elevated the play of very average players.
Take a look at the offensive complement of players on the 2001 team.
There is a lot of trash on the three Super Bowl championship teams.

Michael_ Gee · Jan 13, 2014

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Something like six backs ran for more yards in Super Bowls than Brady passed for in Super Bowl 36. The 2001 Pats were by no means a quarterback-oriented team. They were defense first.

3_Octave_Fart · Jan 13, 2014

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True, but clutch quarterbacking also pulled out several games for them that season.
Including the Super Bowl and conference title game.
Agreed with Joey T when he said you can't hide your quarterback for very long in the league.

qtlaw · Jan 13, 2014

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93Devil said:

3_Octave_Fart said:

Versatile said:

BDC99 said:

Michael_ Gee said:

As long as they have Brady, the identity of their receivers is irrelevant.
Click to expand...

True enough. But if he had, you know, GOOD receivers, that offense would be unstoppable. Again. (See: Moss, Randy 2007-09).
Click to expand...

Yes, it bugs me when people say that. Remember how Donovan McNabb made James Thrah and Todd Pinkston work? The same was said. Then the Eagles gave him a real weapon (Terrell Owens) for a year, and he looked better than ever.
Click to expand...

Brady has won two or three different times with no-name receivers.
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They have not won anything since they signed Moss.
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I agree that usually you need to win a SB to be great but I will never forget that 2007 Patriots team, 15-0, undefeated up to the SB, highest scoring team at that time, Brady and Moss at the height of their greatness? That was an amazing team that somehow lost because of an unbelievable catch by Tyree.

3_Octave_Fart · Jan 13, 2014

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They lost because the other team just blitzed the shit out of them.

Mark2010 · Jan 13, 2014

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3_Octave_Fart said:

Part of his greatness is that he has elevated the play of very average players.
Take a look at the offensive complement of players on the 2001 team.
There is a lot of trash on the three Super Bowl championship teams.
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Oh, I agree with that. Ditto for Manning, Rodgers, Brees, etc.

But it doesn't change the fact that as a GM, you try to upgrade areas of your team that need it. I can't make the case that if the Patriots had an all-pro receiver, they'd somehow be worse.

3_Octave_Fart · Jan 13, 2014

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A lot of it is just coaching philosophy.
Shanahan's Broncos knew they didn't need a star running back post-Davis.
Belichick preaches the team concept, and you don't get the sense it's BS talk with him.

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