2015-16 NBA Thread (feat. the Wives)

That QT post about James was a particularly good one. He conveniently left out the majority of the quote where James heaps loads of praise on the Warriors and the way they play

 

is that supposed to prove it was inadvertent?

 

Although not as much so when the other guy was just straddled over your head essentially inviting a dick shot.

Lebron was plainly the bigger dick in this particular instance, and I think the league would've also been justified declining to assess the flagrant because of Lebron's provocation.

 

I'm not saying LeBron didn't goad him into it or didn't do anything dickish himself. I'm just not pretending that makes Green not responsible for his own actions, which an astonishing number of people seem to be doing.

 

It's just a picture. Doesn't prove it was inadvertent or advertent. Having seen the video enough, it was more inadvertent than Ndamukong Suh's inadvertent actions.

James stepped over him to prevent him from getting up. Assumption of risk when you tea bag Mr. Green.

 

What LeBron said: James immediately characterized the play as one “the League will take a look at.”

What qtlaw said: When was the last time you saw a great player lobby to get someone suspended?? Never.

If saying the league is going to take a look at a play is the equivalent of lobbying for a suspension, I would say that has happened about 5,000 times. But that's probably a low estimate.

 

It's not one-to-one. They penalized both adequately. LeBron got a technical -- what he deserves in that situation for a shithead move that is meant to be unsportsmanlike but not hurt anybody. He doesn't deserve a flagrant.

Green deserves a flagrant. That it was the one that put him over the top is his own fault.

 

Before I respond, I want to make it clear that I do so only to play devil's advocate. I am not a Warriors fan, though I live in the Bay Area, so if you want to disqualify my comments you may. I mostly agree with your post about the "Us against the world" mentality" ...

But ...

There were a few people other than Doc Rivers who called the Warriors' title a fluke. There were commentators *cough* ESPN *cough* who questioned if the run only happened because others got hurt. Yes the Clippers and LeBron were among the most vocal about the Warriors being flukes and they need to be taken with a grain of salt. I think it was only after the Warriors record breaking start to the season and when it became clear that they were going to make a run at the Bulls' record that the national media started to talk like Golden State was not a fluky team. The team fed into those doubts—which spilled over to the fan base–and it came out better for it. I only get a cursory glance at this stuff mainly because my friend/family circle aren't big basketball fans so I really can't say just how bad it's gotten. And not excusing it if it really is as bad as you claim, but there isn't some pretend slight here.

Before you throw my words back in my face, I don't like the Green suspension but I understand why it was done and don't think it was some conspiracy against the Warriors by the league. NBA saw the nut swipe as worthy of a flagrant. I did not. Oh well, I'm not an NBA executive making decisions.

I don't think Golden State is anywhere close to the Patriots level of douchebaggary. That only develops after years of practice.

 

LeBron's contact with Green in stepping over him and on him was flagrant under the rules: it was unnecessary contact

Section IV--Flagrant Foul
a. If contact committed against a player, with or without the ball, is interpreted to be unnecessary, a flagrant foul--penalty (1) will be assessed. A personal foul is charged to the offender and a team foul is charged to the team.

 

Whatever one's allegiances, I will wholeheartedly say that stepping over someone is a d*ckhead move, who ever does that, and a natural reaction that I would support is to swing one's hand up to say "get the f*ck off me." If its near the nether region, its because you intentionally put it there.

If Draymond did a Delladova (on Igoudala), I would not revel in it nor support that. The Adams move? If it was intentional, yeah, dic*head move, but that's the mystery of sports, no one has a telegraph to one's mind. If it was a straight kick with nothing else going on? that's one thing. That's not what happened.

 

OK then give him a flagrant as well.

He's still playing tonight.