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2018 MLB Spring Training Running Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Feb 14, 2018.

  1. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    So you want to do away with free agency?
     
  2. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    In the case of the 90s Yankees, you are partially correct. They developed their core of players and made some trades. But they didn't really start going on their buying spree until the 2000s.

    Looking at their 1998 lineup, Knoblauch was really the only guy that they got from a small-market team in a salary dump, and even then the Twins got Eric Milton and Cristian Guzman (who was blocked by Jetes). The O'Neill for Kelly trade wasn't too popular when it was made because Kelly was seen as a future star. Martinez was acquired for Russ Davis, who was also supposed to be a big star.

    They had some veterans sprinkled in (Raines, Strawberry, Chili Davis before he got hurt), but they were low-cost filler.

    Pitching-wise, Cone was really the only guy they bought, Wells came in a trade, and El Duque was signed. There was some spending there, but hardly major to think they bought themselves a pennant.

    Even the Clemens trade next year was fairly even, with Wells and Homer Bush, who looked like he had some potential, being sent to Toronto.

    Now, if you want to say the 2000s Yankees were spending like crazy to buy pennants (Giambi, A-Rod, Sabathia, etc.) have at it.
     
  3. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Guy, I've explained my position in the past many times and that has never been a part of it.

    I do think MLB should have a salary floor at the first priority. I also think a hard salary cap would be beneficial, though MLB's system has improved.

    Also, I think baseball fans should be able to acknowledge that the deck is stacked for certain franchises. It doesn't guarantee success, but they do have a built-in advantage. The Yankees are at the top of that list.
     
  4. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    Even ARod wasn't free. Soriano was a great player at the time. If not for Mariano blowing the lead in the 9th, his HR off of Schilling would have won the WS and radically changed the perception of both of them.
     
  5. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    During that entire run, the Yankees never lost a player they wanted to keep. They never had to make budget-based decisions. They could always keep everybody and keep on adding.
     
  6. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    Soriano was a hyped prospect, but he was a cheap price to pay for A-Rod. He was a hacker with bad defense who got off to a hot start.
     
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  7. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Good point. One can easily wonder how much history would have changed if A-Rod went to the Red Sox and Soriano stayed with the Yankees.
     
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  8. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I don't know how people expect teams like the Royals, Indians, and Astros to compete with the recent Yankees juggernaut.
     
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  9. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    A hyped prospect? Go look at his last 2 years in NY, and remember that sabermetrics were just getting started and walks were still underappreciated. He was one of the best players in baseball. Not Arod, but who was?
     
  10. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    The Astros are big-market now, remember? Happened sometime around mid-October 2017 IIRC.
     
  11. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    And the Cubs, like the Mets, were small market during their "process."
     
  12. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Nobody said they can't, but keep beating on that strawman rather than make a useful contribution to the discussion.
     
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